1 Nice.

2 Drew, You are absolutely right. This is exactly the way the liberals behave in our country as well. Rather than enforce the laws already on the books, they prefer, or insist in some cases, that new laws be passed. To do what you ask? Now you have an excellent question. The liberals are using the situation not to pass laws that they know will not be enforced on the people at hand, but to have these laws on the books to enforce them at a later date on someone else, you guessed it, conservatives. They have used this stealth strategy many times with gun control laws, with no intention to use them on criminals, but on the law abiding in an attempt to disarm America. The neo-liberal(new term, accurate, not fake) must be watched at all times, whether here in America or overseas.

3 Liberals the world over are cut from the same cloth and they all suffer from a lack of a charactersitic that a person in authority needs: good analytical skills. From their actions they are incapable of studying a problem fully. Most of the time they pledge to resolve the problem, but never are able to say how they intend to do so. "We'll balance the budget." Great, but HOW do you intend to do so? Furthermore, when they do present a solution, they don't think more than 2 days down the road about what effect that solution will have and whether the consequences will be good, bad or a wate of resources. JJ's mentioning of gun control is a good example. Yes guns can be dangerous and are used to commit crimes and accidents involving kids occur, so on the surface, getting rid of all guns seems like a good idea. But the fact is, it isn't and the global stats prove it - but the liberals keep fighting for it anyway. Until they learn that everything is not as simple as it appears, they will remain for the large part, a destructive element of society. I would have stuck hypocritical in there somewhere as well, but we all know that and I'm feeling lazy.

4 With the spread of rioting to almost 300 cities across France, its Government faces the biggest challenge to state authority since the student uprising in 1968. Whatever the grievances in the ghettos, the priority is clear: restore order and reclaim the angry streets of the suburbs. The decision to give mayors the right to impose curfews is suitable - though it is unclear how such a measure could be enforced when the police seem powerless to stop the nightly outbreaks of arson and violence. The Government, sensitive to the danger of escalation, has ruled out the use of troops, a move that could lead to shots, deaths and further confrontation. But unless there is a sudden cold spell, it may be some time before the flames of burning cars are doused. A period of relative calm could be followed quickly by further unrest. Already, the costs are evident. Not only has France suffered a terrible setback to what it had naively thought, at the height of World Cup (Soccer) euphoria in 1998, was a successful policy of intergrating its minorities as equal citizens; but President Chirac's own political legacy has been damaged severely. Critics have pointed to the irony of a man who came to power 12 years ago with a promise to heal France's "social fracture" having to invoke emergency measures dating back to the Algerian war. His failure to speak out early in clear support of his Interior Minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, is seen as a blunder inspired by feuding and rivalry within the Government. And his vigorous opposition to involvement in Iraq in an attempt to court the Arab and Muslims vote now seems like a profound misunderstanding of the real issues troubling France's six million Muslims. Neighbouring countries cannot feel smug about the riots, however. Already there have been some copycat incidents in Belgium. Although France has a tradition of confrontation and political violence, especially by farmers, students and striking trade unionists, many of the underlying tensions that have sustained the uprisings in the suburbs are common across Europe: high concentrations of ethnic minorities, very high unemployment - in some French ghettos up to 40 per cent - widespread grievances at discrimination and percieved racism, and the influence of criminal gangs, drug dealers and religious extremists. The Government has announced measures that are long overdue - and which have until now been championed mainly by M Sarkozy: funding to housing and education groups, recently cut, is to be restored, scholarships tripled and new apprenticeship schemes offered to troubled teenagers. But the most urgent need is for jobs. Unemployment is the single greatest cause of alienation, poverty and disaffection. The rigidities of the French labour market shut out the young and less qualified, deny jobs of temporary workers and protect institutionalised elites. In the essential rethinking of attitudes to citizenship, opportunity and the integration of minorities, a new approach to work, taxes and mobility must be a priority.

5 It's funny how people never expect the chickens they've so carefully hatched and fledged to come home to roost, and they're really shocked when the chickens are using molotov cocktails to burn down the coop. We reap what we have sown, as it were.

6 Good one improbulus maximus,

7 Actually if you see the CNN news coverage it explicitly states that in the 5 districts that imposed a curfew (penalty two months in jail) there were no riots. Riots did occur outside areas with the curfew. The reason riots occured is because some prefects were too much pussies to impose curfews.

8 And you implicitly take CNN's word for it, Maobi. I do not, nor would I take the French media's word for it, either. There are and have been attacks against churches in France that have never been memtioned in these riots. CNN hasn't mentioned that either, although they are certainly aware of the attacks. Wouldn't want to bring religion into any of this, now would we?

9 It's funny that you talk about Chirac being a liberal. He is actually right wing. The fact that he was against the Irak invasion doesn't make him a leftist. About every media available talked about the molotov coktails thrown against 2 churches so I don't understand why some people state the contrary. You just have to read. The church have been only slightly damaged not set ablaze as some media reported. So I guess it's not so important for news people. The french model of integration actually works much better with the girls of immigrant origin. You don't see any of them participating in the riot. Why ? because their parents watch their girls closely and don't let them hang out. These girls have understood that their only way to be free and independant (from parents and traditions) is to study at school and get a situation. These same parents let their boys do all what they want. A lot of them fail at school and are frustrated. That's why besides cars they mainly burn schools. Right now the riots are not religious minded. The main french muslim organisation has even issued a fatwa against the rioters. There is a possible threat that it could get recuperated by fondamentalists and that is the reason why police is showing some restraint (no deads yet) in order not to create "martyrs" that will fuel more serious trouble. Improbulus maximus hides behind a latin name but seems to me to be an ignorant jerk.

10 It doesn't matter how one defines Chirac, he is inept, incompetent, corrupt, and harmful to his nation. The French deserve what they're getting right now because they're the ones who elected the government.

11 but the Communist hate the new law and stand shoulder to shoulder with the 'poor youths'. Islamo-fascism is Islamo-marxism too.

12 Your guys are hopeless... Islamo-marxism ? For those who don't know or have short memory, marxism is a strickly atheist ideology incompatible with islam. When in the 80's the CIA choose to use the fondamentalist against marxist soviet aghfanistan even Osama was on the pay roll. At the time they were your best friends because they helped you got rid of the marxists ! The rioteers are more a by products of a certain thug culture (gangsta rap, ultraviolence and so on) that is partly imported from the US. They don't want charia rule but SUV's, nice clothes, gold chains and bitchy girls... as in rap music videos. Chirac may be inept, incompetent, corrupt and harmful to his nation as G.W. Bush is to the world.

13 You all have far too much time on your hands. Remember not to waken the sleeping giant.

14 Michael Meyer, Any relation to the Halloween guy?

15 Tomorrows headlines "French Fry" How would you like YOUR Muslims??

16 Tomorrows headlines "French Fry" How would you like YOUR Muslim Extremists

17 Okay Michael Meyer, how about "Islamo-Nazis"? You like that one better? I want to hear you deny that one. Chirac may be right-wing by France's standards, but over here he's considered "left". And the "liberals" in Australia are, by our standards, "centrists". So we can argue semantics all day and no one is really wrong. So quit acting like you're "educating" us. The rioters may be a product partly of the "thug culture", but the numerous accounts of their battle cry, "Allahu Akbar" while torching other people's property indicates that the male-dominant Islamic culture is part of it as well. You said yourself the girls were carefully constrained which, is also indicative of the culture.

18 Yer wrong Mikey boy, islam is perfectly compatible with Marxism, because Marxism's only aim is to destroy Western civilization and the free-market economy that it relies upon. Marxism isn't actually atheistic, it's a statist religion, and the way islam is structured, it fits hand in glove.

19 No islamo marxists, no islamo nazis, just islam extremists or salafists. No need to tag another label on them. You just confuse everything and make a fun of yourself. About the riots. They scream "Allahu akbar" more to scare people and to provoque. Personnally I'm not afraid. It's a game to attract attention. Rioting is actually one aspect of french history : the revolution, the commune, may 68... If you are not happy with the government or society you go to the street... The real danger is about terrorists that stay at home nice and quiet waiting for the good moment to strike like in London.

20 Until you're willing to read a little history on Islam and the Nazis, I won't waste my time with you, MM.

21 Provoque? Whatever, le dude. No islamo-nazis? So, I guess the fact that Mein Kampf is the best selling book in the muslim world is just for a mass book report, right?

1 Good question, C-Dub. Looks like those two will be celebrating Bastille Day (from the inside) early this year.

2 The very serious situation unfolding in France at present is not merely a national problem for the French - its possible consequences are multilateral. Parallels can be drawn with Britain. Although the causes are different there are common denominators of insufficient inclusion of ethnic minorities, which fuels the frustration and sparks the aggression. The lack of sincere intergration of ethnic minorities is a Europe-wide issue that needs to be addressed by Europe's leaders. Britain, holding the Presidence of the EU, has a particular duty to show leadership and willingness to deal with the European diversity agenda.

3 They can't coordinate or flame riots from the internet unless those poor people living in one room appartments with no food, no water and 30+ kids (or something like that) have a comp and connection.

4 "Although the causes are different there are common denominators of insufficient inclusion of ethnic minorities, which fuels the frustration and sparks the aggression." Wrong. Wrong. And wrong again. The causes are not different, but rather exactly the same: Backward, uncivilized, third-world savages expected to behave in a society of laws. If you traveled back in time and brought a Neandertal man into the present, he would likely have little more difficulty than arabs and africans assimilating into a modern culture. These peoples' understanding of anything more complex than a molotov cocktail is severely limited. There can never be sufficient inclusion of ethnic minorities who still see the tribe as their highest social authority. We have had two millenia to become what we are, yet we expect them, they who live little different from their ancestors of a thousand years ago. Aside from the suicide vests, Kalashnikovs, and molotov cocktails, that is. The frustration is fueled by their total inability to assimilate into society without having their hands held the entire way, and the aggression is sparked by anything, because only civilized people can solve their problems without violence. The first mistake was letting cavemen into civilized society at all; the second was to do so in great numbers; the third was to naively expect them to drop in seamlessly to society and assimilate. We reap what we sow.

5 Paul, I want to know how one can be assimilated into a European culture that they want to destroy. The Muslims in France do not want to be part of that culture. They hate it. They attacked the French earliar this year when the French teens marched about a student problem. The Arab and African students beat the hell out of the French, and the government did nothing. Thus, you have the riots. These riots will calm down. The French will pay huge sums of money to these people in an attempt to buy them off. But I submit that they are calm and know exactly what they are doing. One of the tenets of jihad is to make the enemy pay out huge sums of money for such things as extraordinary security, along with welfare and other subsidies. The suicide bombers who blew the tubes and a bus in London were all on the public dole. Do you not see a pattern? Britain is also subject to the same problem as France, and the US would be to were it not that most people in America are armed and would shoot the rioters. Hurrah for the 2nd Amendment!

6 'Zactly, Joe. Only a fool seeks a job in a factory to support his family and uses some of the money to build bombs to blow up the factory.

7 Yes, they will pay the Danegeld, in hopes that they will be dead long before their children and grandchildren are enslaved or annihilated.

1 Natwar Singh was just forced to step down by India's BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party) as well for being named by the Volcker Report as a non-contractual beneficiary of oil-for-food. Singh feels that the probe was targeting those who were opposed to US aggressive actions against Iraq. I'm not saying whether he's guilty or not but I would suggest that the above statement is not structured correctly. It should read "Many of those who opposed US aggressive actions against Iraq did so due to their complicity in oil-for-food scams and there is reason to investigate them." Naturally, they would be investigated, but not all have been alledged as complicit. In fact, they're investigating those who were not opposed as well. Texaco was implicated and I don't remember owner David Chalmers speaking out against the war. Another American oilman, Oscar S. Wyatt Jr., was implicted, yet where did he speak out against the war? Of course, everyone implicated vehemently denies it. Since they're all so innocent, we must have hallucinated the whole thing, right?

2 It's funny how the OFF scandal can't get a mention in the MSM, but Bush can write a note indicating that he needs a bathroom break and it dominates the new cycle for days. The MSM has no credibility whatsoever anymore.

1 Being one of my favorites, I try to catch as much as possible on this site. I'm assuming I've missed something, but who the hell is this 'Route Irish' and why aren't his posts blocked? I remember seeing one other post just telling someone else to ignore him, but what's the deal? Just curious ...

2 Route Irish: Have you given any thought to opening your own blog? one where anyone with liberal mindsickness can masturbate with satisfaction at your witty repertoire of bumperstickers and lefty bullshit articles, I personally find them as entertaining as being rolled down a hill in a barrel of monkey crap with a pound of nails, although other liberal idiots you hang with, probably think you're the man though.

3 dave, the guy just seems unstable to me and doesn't even have a consistant message. One minute he posts a link to what appears to be some liberal crap (I don't know since I have no intention of following the link) and then he posts some different crap like the spam above to 'sticker giant'. I thought only 4 year olds gave a crap about stickers. My guess is he is a 'guest' at an insane asylum.

4 Roan Inish? What? I don't know who y'all are talkin' about. There's no one here by that name.

5 Route Irish is a spammer - nothing else - commercial, ideological whatever.

6 "..As much as I dislike French politics and relentlessly give them a hard time here, I pray for France's deliverance from these evil times." No. Non. In American = "Fuck them." BURN, you bastards. And then tell me about Katrina.

7 Many of my ancestors on my mother's side of my family came to America, via the Isle of Wight, from the Rheims area of France. They were Hugenots, Protestants run out of France by the Catholics, and rebels so I guess it was inevitable that they would end up in the American South. Nonetheless, I take no pleasure in what is happening in France. The structure of the political system in France and most of Europe, including Canada, makes it almost impossible for the majority of the people to rule. Most of these nations are ruled by minority parties of Socialists. The oppposition parties tend to be nothing more than the same thing, only the fascist branch of the totalitarians. If there were viable conservative parties in Europe I believe the nightmare of these people could end. Until then, I have little hope for the French, but I pray for them nonetheless. I am one of them.

8 JJ, the plain fact is that nothing will ever change in Europe, because Europe never fully realized the promise of the Enlightenment, mainly because they refused to shed their old social orders. Thus Europeans have little understanding of what makes Americans tick, as it were, because America is the full realization of enlightenment ideals. Fascism and Communism will never take root in America because extremism is like fungus; it doesn't grow well in the full light of Liberty, it needs dank, shady soil full of decay, which is easily found across Europe.

9 Ah, but IM, I disagree with you on this one. The extremism on the Left, with the help of Academia and the Press, both of them hijacked by the Left in the past 30 years, now have that dank, shady soil and have taken root. As a matter of fact, while you and I were out there making a living and raising our families, the Left has also about completed its takeover of the judicial system. They now control the media, the school system, and most of the judicial system. We are late to the party. We have the internet, which they are trying to take away, and we have talk radio. We still have a large number of people, the better people, I might add, on our side, but time is going against us. We shall see!

10 We also have guns JJ, 200 million of them to be nearly exact, which is exactly why the libtards have been trying so hard to take them away, because no totalitarian government can exist when the people can defend themselves. Which is why liberals must all be exterminated.

1 ah, and that is why I love living in Texas.

2 http://movies.crooksandliars.com/com_ds_gay_marriage_ruins_state_051103a.wmv

3 I'm a proud Texan. If the left had any smarts all, they would have commercials running with video of the two Carolina cheerleaders. If anything could sway the minds of male voters, it would be lesbian cheerleaders going after it. The problem is that when they want to make a point on gay marriage, they trot out the likes of Andrea Dworkin and Ellen Degeneres. Ain't gonna do it for me.

4 The arguament for/against same sex marriage depends on what you think marrige is about in the first place. If marriage is a religious ideal, sanctioning sexual relations & forming a strong family unit in which to raise children, then same sex marriages have no purpose. However, the State/Federal legislature also have no right to legalise/criminalise religious activities (something about the seperation of church & state in the constitution I belive) If marriage is a legal contract between two people living together as partners in all financial & social responsibilities, then that contract should be valid, irrelevent of the gender of the two people (something about te freedom of religion, culture & beliefs) Our problem is that we like to merge the two things together, when they are intrinsically opposed.

5 There's really no point in marriage between gays (bis maybe, but not just-gays). Why should there be any legal choke chain, when there's no naturally acquired kids to be fed?

6 The only problem I have with gay marriage is that the next step will be that they want to adopt children. Not that I think two loving parental figures would be bad regardless of their sexual preference, but that it would be unfair to the children. Regardless of the idoctrination already in process in our schools with short films and story books named "Tommy has Two Dads" or "Billy and Sally have Two Moms", there will be those families who are devoutly religious and will teach their children, outside of the school environment, the opposite; that homosexuality is a sin and should be rejected. These children with "two dads" or "two moms" will be treated badly by those students who have parents that teach them homosexuality is a sin. We all know how cruel children can be. This is just fact. Not an endorsement. There are far reaching implications that some people just aren't considering.

7 Well, here's a couple of cowpokes who aren't gonna be too happy about that. Cowpokes, (snicker).

8 All children who are taught that homosexuality is a sin will not treat children with "two dads" or "two moms" badly. Most children just accept others. It's not fair to lump up those that teach their children homosexuality is wrong, as bigots. It is wrong, but I would never condone or tolerate my children being mean to other children regardless of what type of home life they had or have.

9 Yes, homosexuality is absolutely normal, except in nature of course, otherwise none of us would be here.

10 Mrs Aginoth: Separation of Church and State were originally setup to stop Government tyranny against a particular religion, not to remove the word God from everything, but to avoid a situation like the Catholic purge, (something to do with Britain I believe) Secondly the people that came to America, came to avoid smug British nationals whom have an opinion on everything, and therefore believe they can quote the law to them. (something about "Independence" I believe...)

11 God bless Texas.

12 Marriage optional form gays ??? I think it should be MANDATORY !!!

13 Thirdee: I did not say it to imply that all children would. Enough will though. Not all children are bullies. But enough are to make life pretty miserable for some. In many ways, not even related to religion, but just because they're bullies, they will make others the target of their ire. The problem is that some bullying behavior is targetted by teachers, administrators and parents, but not others. There are children that get mistreated by others for anything from not wearing the current styles to having freckles. When our schools indiscriminately target all bad behavior for whatever reason instead of a strict agenda of homosexual parenting, I'll feel differently. Let me give you a quick example: My daughter was hounded and intimidated by a group of three boys whose behavior toward her escalated over time to the point that they threatened to rape her after school. I couldn't get the school administrators to do anyhing about it. The principle's reasoning? It was only her word against theirs and THEIR rights had to be considered. The principle wouldn't consider their guilt at all and feared more that even questioning them would infringe on their rights. But if they teased her for having "two moms", well then, by God, with current standards, something would have to be done about it. Unless I start a powerful special interest group against school bullies in general and hold marches on downtown streets and get enough people to withhold their votes from school board candidates, nothing is done. Just being right or wrong doesn't hold any clout anymore. It's who has the biggest mouth and the most influence. I'm getting off on a tangent here and digressing a bit so I'll just let it rest with that.

14 Of course, as a Texan, what bothers me about Prop 2 (and the main practical reason I voted against it) is that it could, depending on interpretation, also outlaw common-law marriages. This is a community property state. Just exactly what do we tell the widow who was with her man for 60 years as his common law wife when she finds out she keeps none of the property that was in his name, because "they weren't really married"?

15 God bless my beautiful state of Texas.

16 dave - I deliberately didn't quote law you, not being too sure of the exact wording, hence "something about" I made an observation on the nature of marrige. It wasn't meant to upset anyone, just express my opinion as to why this is such a difficult topic.

17 Jeff, I recall one of the lawmakers on TV address your problem with the law. He said it was written such that common law marriage would not be affected. Common law marriage is already recognized as a legal marriage. I know there is a politician or two out there who may tell lies but that's what he said.

18 Here am I deep in the Heart of Texas. And damn proud of it! Gay marriage ain't marriage, hell, anybody knows that. The liberals want us to believe in evolution and all that, well, it seems to me that all the higher forms of animals pair off as male and female. Enough said.

19 Dave is uninformed. There is tons of examples of homosexuality in nature. Bonobos, one of the great apes, engage in homosexual behavior all the time. They are, if you don't know, very close to the chimpanzee (or may be a kind of chimp, they used to be considered a sub-species of chimp, but I think they are being reclassified as their own separate species of great ape) Dolphins also engage in homosexual behavior. I know there are many other examples of species that engage in homosexual behavior, but much to my inconvenience, I am not remembering. Homosexuality is very prevalent in nature. What is it's function? Not sure. But I do know that in most animal groups, there is usually an imbalance between male and female populations. Yet, those without a "partner" have no less a desire for sex (and for the more intelligent animals like dolphins, who by the way, mate for life) love and companionship, so perhaps homosexuality is nature's way of compensating for the imbalance between male and female percentages of a given animal population. But there is also the possibility that homosexuality simply exists because nature by design creates, to quote Star Trek, infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Perhaps nature has created homosexuality (and bisexuality) simply because it is possible. Look around, nature is seemingly unending in its diversity. And slug...gays want to get married because they love one another. No one has any desire to help guys like you get off. If you need masturbation fodder to support gay marriage, then we don't need your support. Finally, for those who reject gay marriage because the next step would be gay adoption, I hate to break it to you, but gay people are already adopting children, without being married, in those states that allow it. What are you afraid of? There are more children in the foster care system then are currently being adopted. Yet so many states still forbid gays to adopt. Well I suggest you take the time to interview older children who have been "in the system" for many years or those who "graduate" from the foster care/orphanage system, meaning that they turn 18 are are on their own having never been adopted (or, for many, hever even having a foster family.) I bet many of them would rather have two same sex parents than be stuck in the system, passed from foster home to foster home, trapped in an orphanage with no family, or finding themselves on their own at 18 again, with no family.

20 Oh look here comes mighty lefty, to tell everyone how wrong they are! Hey, these animals that display homosexual tendencies are they the rule? or abnormal? how were they born? why are they still around if they don't procreate? Always some Hippy wants to say how right it is, except if it was normal behavior there would be no more species, but hey don't let facts stop you labelling everyone misinformed.

21 Most animal specials have homosexual sex at some point during their life. Some use it as "practise" for procreative sex, some to realease sexual tension when there is an inbalance in the genders, some just for fun. Go down to your local farm/ranch & watch the cows in the field, or the dogs in the kennels. As humans we are the strange ones by placing a spiritual meaning on sex, rather than just a physical one.

22 Uh, Mrs. A, I don't condider it strange that I put a spiritual meaning on sex! I would think it strange not to. Otherwise, we are just animals ourselves, aren't we, and what then would be the purpose of anything?

23 Mrs Aginoth: I especially liked your "Just for fun" comment, so how did you figure that out, do you have a little "Dr. Do Little" in you? do the animals communicate their desire to have sex with each other for a bit of the ol' gay hanky panky ? nice speculation on your part to back up your "facts"

24 Jesusland jo - strange in the animal kingdom. I absolutely agree that our understanding of sex=procreation & the concept of love are part of what differentiates us from animals. dave - "just for fun" was meant to express "for no apparent reason, as they will do it when there are plenty of more suitable mates avilable"

25 Now let me see... As a Drag Queen, I can tell you that the need for "Attention" is paramount! However, there are times in life, that one has needs that are beyond explanation. The need to settle down and be with someone that you love and that loves you! Now, I do not deny that those of you that are "Straight" and want to raise a family and have your idea of the perfect life, are more that welcome to do so...but remember where you are! What country do you live in! Because, here in the USA there is something that grants ALL US Citizens, certain INALIENABLE rights! The Bill Of Rights...Life, Liberty & The Pursuit of Happiness! Now why should you be allowed to live a happy life, have the liberty to do so and the legal right to pursue your dreams, when I cannot? When ANY Gay, Lesbian person cannot? What make you so special? And don't bring religion into this POLITICAL mess! God has NO place in politics! Perhaps the Divine Creator doesn't care to be President someday... Perhaps everyone should remember something...FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GRACE OF GOD! Just as I am no more or less better than you are, you are no more or less better than I...Just because I am GAY, does not make me different than YOU... ps. Food for thought...Jesus said: "I give you a NEW commandment, Love one another, as I have loved you...". Just keep in mind that the Great Commission, invokes the followers of The Lord Jesus Christ, to bring to HIM all that will, through LOVE AND TRUTH...Not with Hate, Intolerance and FORCED BEHAVIOR THRU LEGISLATION, spurred on by religious fanatics! The more people like you that believe you can "Save our Souls", by forcing your will and beliefs on the world, the more people like me will RESIST! Primrose South Florida

26 As a Texan, I've been ashamed to hear others proudly crowing at having passed legislation specifically aimed at denying "them dang homos" equal legal status. Primrose, I thought you did an excellent job of stating the opposition viewpoint. I'm pretty conservative on many issues. But this one comes down to personal liberty; pretty much a civil rights issue. It's just too bad that we conveniently view homosexuals as people who don't deserve the same rights as heterosexuals.

27 Jesus told the prostitute who he saved from the crowd about to stone her: "Go and sin no more". He did not tell her to continue to sin, but to turn away. Let's not confuse things here too much.

28 Thanx Reverse Vampyr! If everyone would just realize that, "Equal Rights" not "Special Rights" is the issue here! Just because a person is: From a foriegn country, different in skin color, has different view points on "religeous values", etc...should not make them the target of a "WITCH HUNT"! How many of these "religeous right", have a real grasp on history? During the 1690's, here in what was to become The USA, INNOCENT people were branded as "Witches"! They were hanged, chrushed to death... Now, I don't know about any of you but it seems to me that situations like this, ie. "religeous fanatasizm", spurned on by the "church and its leaders"...IS WRONG! Not only does it show the stupidity of such blatant disregard for "your fellow man" but how dangerous it is to have uncontrolled religeous systems, involved in the matter of government! An earlier comment, by a poster, to this sight, stated that the reasoning for the "Separation of Church & State", in this country was to not have a repeat of the religeous tyrany and corrupttion that was so common and ALL CONTROLLING, in early Europe. While this is true...let us not forget, the early days of this country! Each year we celebrate a national holiday called Thanksgiving. The common myth is that it is a time of to give thanks for what you have. While this is only partly true, we like to forget that the Puritans were a horrible wretched people. They tortured and murdered the indians, and indeed other of their own kind, from neighboring villages...the feast that we now call Thanksgiving was a "Peace, a Truce" basically that was held between the Puritans and the Indians! Now that I have gone off on that tangent, let me bring it all together... When we think of value systems and their consequences...we tend to think of things like, wright and wrong, crime and punnishment etc...This is a very different world today, as compared with history. Should the USA digress, back into its own past and begin treating its citizens as it did all those many years ago? You see, it has always been the beliefs of a few that have forged the future...not the majority! I guess if the church and the cristian coalition and the fanatics get their way, we will all soon be living in a Puritanical society! I guess we are not all that civilized after all! Just keep in mind, that if the religeous right aka moral majority aka christian coalition, continues to point the finger of holy indignation at me and those like me, who just want and need the the same things ALL Americans want, they will face their God and have to answer for their sins! And yes Inhospitality is a SIN! Primrose South Florida

29 To all of the Religious Reich-- er, Right here tonight, I humbly ask thee: DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!! And now I shall return to making hot passionate love to my wife. Yes, my wife, and I shall call her my wife whether you like it or not, whether the government wants to acknowledge us as married or not. Still, expect me to stick around and piss you off as much as humanly possible without even trying, because I'll be damned if some idiot's going to tell me that I can't have my wife on my work health insurance plan or in my will because one of us has the wrong plumbing downstairs. I could give a damn what your church has to say-- I don't go there, and I never will-- but I am an American, and I'm staying here cuz my ancestors lost their lives so I could live here in FREEDOM. So, get over it and get a life. Thank you, and have a lovely evening. Signed, your friendly neighborhood shameless lesbo. ;D P.S. Jesusland Joe-- obviously, you've been too busy jacking off to Pat Robertson to actually read the Bible, cuz the woman who was about to get stoned to death was accused of adultery, not prostitution. What's more, Jesus had also said then, and far more importantly, that HE WHO HAS NOT SINNED SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE. Typical fundamentalist bull, take what you like from Scripture and leave the rest! Good work, poseur! Of course, if you were to at least watch "Jesus of Nazareth" you'd know what actually happened in that part of the New Testament! Guess it's true that folks like you are less about God and more about manipulating and abusing Christianity for your own selfish gain. P.P.S. And yes, I do know the Bible-- after having a father who has a M.A. in theology and going to Christian schools and taking religion classes and going to church most of my life, one would hope I know what's in the Gospels by now. Shame that you claim to be Christian and clearly do not! You're too busy hating other people to remember little else!!

30 In any event, this is bad news for greg. He always wanted to be a June bride.

1 Damn, you beat me to it. I've been watching Preparation H ever since I found out about it, and I even have the SF election returns up in another window, waiting for the results to get posted.

2 Ioerr link up man we'll fatwa you.

3 It's too damn late for California to get itself out of the mess it's in. What we in the Red States need to be on the lookout for are these fools from California coming to our states after having ruined theirs, but with the attitude that they want to try the same thing in our states that ruined California. I've already noticed some of them coming to Texas, so all other states need to be on the lookout. Just be sure they don't run unopposed in elections, etc. without having to give their views. They normally do not win if opposed, other than in Austin. Well, there ain't no hope for Austin, either.

4 Well, there goes Mexifornistan.

1 Men kill me. My husband said the same thing.

2 Mmmm. Good gay.

3 Okay, I'm about to be politically incorrect.... All these two women needed was a good man who knew what he was doing to cure their problem witha good lay. I have met some lesbos and the cure was always carried with me...... Afterwards we both had a cigarette just to complete the incorrectness.... Tex

4 woohooo!! I love lesbians!! Would be better if they were bi-sex... but stil love them... stupid yankees! Free country my fuckin ass! Lick on you lesbo's! cheers

1 You actually did all 100 questions? Damn! I saw there was 100 questions and said, no freakin' way. You must really really be bored.

2 70%... not so good, but not so bad.

3 We used chemical weapons in Fallujah Funny? I didn't see that question/answer in the quiz. Oh! Just realized! Thread question had absolutely nothing to do with your (the first) comment/response. Let's see - you could post your own thread ... but then you could be easily ignored ... and you really wouldn't like that now would you? You really are a childish dick. Tell you what - if you hold your breath till you turn blue and stamper around a bit maybe you will get the attention you need .. from someone.

4 Which chemical weapons did the US use in Fallujah? A. Bill stealing his stapler B. Wanting a piece of cake C. Worrying about being late D. It being cold Correct answer will count toward your total, so don't f--- it up.

5 Shove this up your ass. Sometime back, I reported to you that the Americans used something like napalm in Fallujah, it's called "White Phosphorous". Go to: http://www.uruknet.infi/?p=m10211&l=i&size=1&hd=0 (Change "infi" to "info") to see the crispy Fallujans who were the victims of American white phosphorus bombs. Now, the mainstream media has picked this story up too. Jeff Englehart, described as a former US soldier who served in Falluja, tells of how he heard orders for white phosphorus to be deployed over military radio - and saw the results. "Burned bodies, burned women, burned children; white phosphorus kills indiscriminately... When it makes contact with skin, then it's absolutely irreversible damage, burning flesh to the bone," he says." http: //news. independent. co.uk/world/middle_east/article325560.ece (remove spaces) I had to remove the BBC link due to questionable content. What shit.

6 http://news. bbc. co. uk/2/hi/middle_east/4417024.stm (REMOVE SPACES)

7 Whoa - nice opening sound track! Really objective ... what a joke! Ghost you really are one of those affluent white gutless wannabe 90RPMs dormroom revolutionaries. Bet ya got your lil' revolutionary beret and a poster of Che to fantasize and jerk off to. If you really believed all that crap then take a real stand and join the struggle! THEY ARE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS YOU KNOW! Sitting alone behind a computer screen in a warm cozy room - surrounded by material luxury - ipods, CDs, etc ... what's that french word starts with a b - how pathetic! Bet your one of those idiotic fools who writes a letter (stern no less) in protest - gets a paper cut and considers it a Red Badge Of Courage - bleeding for the STRUGGLE. I've got more respect for those crazy suicide car jockeys than a limp lil' pussy like you who can only fantasize about "being down with the Struggle" from the safety and security of your room. I've got news for you kid - you don't measure your manhood by the length of your link strings.

8 That test was way too long and way to tedious for a movie I saw only once two years ago. I got half way through it and thought "WTF am I doing?"

9 Hondo, You're a little pussy squirt.

10 ghost lame come back

11 54% I am lame.

12 49% - I'm embarassed.

1 I'm waiting for the "Iraqi Horror Picture Show" to develop a cult following on the Left. Saddam can play the lead - "let's do the time warp again ..."

2 Oh my, Nasty.

3 Heh. So Zarqawi's Queens show up in paradise for their 72 virgins. Cox and Forkum could turn this into something hilarious.

4 Great, now the queens are going to start protesting too. Goddammit we should kill everyone and just get it over with.

5 Buh-bye, Route Irish.

6 My God!!!!Looks like Saddam and his two best friends, Downing Street Moron and Greg the traitor.

7 Greyrooster, LMAO! Good one. DSM is probably going butt up as we speak, possibly spending his first few nights in the "pokey". Now this is funny, I don't care who you are, it's just funny.

8 Ah ya know DSM's just loving getting to daily fellate the black muslims in da joint.

9 Propoganda really is all they have left...

10 It's all they've ever had, but now we see the man behind the curtain.

11 So if they die wearing a burka, does that mean they have to BE one of the 72 virgins?

12 Damn you Oyster. Damn you. I just thought of that and was congratulating myself on being so clever when I clicked on the comments link and... damn you. By the way, I'm guessing that since sodomy is as normal as breathing to these animals, the answer is probably yes.

1 To the stupid moron comment- You don't immigrate to a country to make it your own or to carve out your own enclave. Unless, of course, you're Muslim. This is precisely how Amerikkka was formed you dumbass!

2 Thanks for the continued stupidity jawa report. It is obvious you haven't lifted a shred of coverage on the riots in France which started because 2 youths died because of the brutality of the French police. Secondly, if France began shooting these young rioters, there would be full scale war in Europe right now, and I think it is in France's best interest, as well as Europe and then the US for that matter, that they try curfews first before letting the guns blaze. I'm all for letting the guns blaze, but let's blaze them at the right people, the Europeans and Americans who support the global war against Islam, and seek to imprison and kill non-white people.

3 While the definitions of immigrate and colonize may be similar there is a huge difference. When you put immigration into context across history, it's a good thing. However, when you put into context over the past twenty years it's not such a great thing. Of course, Americans didn't burn cars at Plymouth Rock either.

4 Haha, the leftards are really enjoying this. I can't wait until they start rioting here, it'll be better than Christmas!

5 Chris, I was under the impression that the "youths" were killed by electrocution not "police brutality." Glad you posted the article by the way.

6 thirdee, Hey... The riots in LA were started because cops who subdued a man high on PCP after recklessly driving through the city were deemed to not have used excessive force. So what did the rioters do? Burned their own neighborhoods, looted stores, and beat up an innocent truck driver. Electrocution... That's part of it. Who hides from the police in a power sub-station anyway?

7 The youths jumped the fence at the sub-station to avoid a Police ID checkpoint, they weren't chased but they probably had reason to fear apprehension since reports also indicate that most of these "youths" are drug-dealers and thieves - how's that Police brutality? They take a torch to my Citroen and I shoot 'em with bean-bags, then cuff them - citizen's arrest.

8 by showing one-sided disrespect you create anger, frustration, reaction. That is whats happening in Palestine, Iraq and in a lesser degree in France.... time to take a conclusion I guess...

9 Nice URL in the second comment there, Mr. Jawa Sucks. Bitter are we? Are you one of Malkin's disgusting email authors? "...but let's blaze them at the right people,..." Ever think you're part of the problem with that kind of reasoning? Give me the name of one person over there who was attacked or had their property torched because they explicitly supported killing "non-whites". Can't, can you? Because you don't know, do you? You don't know what the hell you're talking about at all, do you? Yammer on. I'll just tune out your precious, indignant rage.

10 Secondly, if France began shooting these young rioters, there would be full scale war in Europe right now, and I think it is in France's best interest, as well as Europe and then the US for that matter, that they try curfews first before letting the guns blaze. Brute force is the only way to quell an insurrection, less of course you think they should invite the rioters to the negotiation table? mobilizing the military and using them as a blocking force while using police to arrest and detain is as good a measure as any lethal force, using non-lethal weapons such as tear-gas, tazers, beanbag rounds, flashbangs, water-cannons can be used to if you're not willing to kill anyone. of course you have to have the will to use violence to stop violence.

11 "...there would be a full scale war in Europe right now..." Does anyone in here really believe the Islamic Middle East would SURVIVE, much less win, a "Full Scale" war against what would likely come down to at least a European/US/Israeli alliance? I'm not a fan of this scenario in any way, and neither are the dreggs of Islam. They know they'd get their collective asses handed to them in any open conflict, so they just pick away at non-Islamic states, hoping they will lack the political resolve to really do anything about it. With France they may have finally picked a winner.

12 Dear First Poster, As a fellow American, I will support with my money, my vote, and all else that I have your right to Free Speech. Including your right to refer to our country as "Amerikkka." However, I find your disrepect disgusting, and would like to suggest that you find a country that you will enjoy more. Sincerely, Jeremy

13 Jeremy, I think he may have posted and ran.

14 Gee... What makes you think that?

15 Jawa sucks, Jawa sucks so bad, I agree. Maybe the names too, but it depends on what it... Nevermind. While the definitions of immigrate and colonize may be similar there is a huge difference. When you put immigration into context across history, it's a good thing. However, when you put into context over the past twenty years it's not such a great thing. Of course, Americans didn't burn cars at Plymouth Rock either. Where's the explanation on difference between immigrating and colonizing? Were there cars back then? How is immigration a good thing to others than the ones that get rid of all the immigrants?

16 Something wrong with the (i):eeing there, anyway, you know the quote.

17 The French are finding out that the terror lies within. They have made some good moves though like banning that ridiculous muslim head gear in schools. I challenge any muslim to say that other religions are embraced in muslim run countries. Muslims don't believe in liberty or care about non-muslims. Time they got their own medicine. Hang them all.

18 The first poster is gone. They always leave their troll droppings, like a crow, and fly off to fowl another nest. Surely he jests on letting the guns blaze, as there are many here in Jesusland who have practiced their hunting and shooting skills for years just in case people like him might want to try something. I suggest that if someone tried to burn my car, the police would not have to worry about arresting him or her. Sorry, call the mortician, or whoever would prance right on back to wherever they came from with no thoughts of wrongdoing. The French ought to try this system. Works pretty good here!

19 Immigration in modern times, is moving to another already established civilization. This usually includes conforming to their society. Colonization is establishing a civilization. I'm so tired of idiot liberals. I'll tolerate the naive big hearted liberals who can at least make an intelligent argument until the liberal idiots are gone.

20 And yes I know they're RARE.

21 personally I was shocked that the criminal rioters ignore a curfew and burned more cars, you mean you can't stop a criminal commiting more crime, by imposing another law on them? How about the stage that requires getting their testicles out of their handbag, you know -- Curfew enforcement.

22 Are muslims offended by wet noodles? I say they need be beat with them? That'll stop that rioting...about as good as a curfew. A Finn, You have a good point...perhaps they set each other's "wagons" on fire back in the colonization/immigration days. They were probably shot with a musket thereafter so they. Now there's a plan.

23 Screw the French - screw the Euros - nuff said

24 Dear Mr. Sucks, lick me. Great post.

25 http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1131230997127&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News&pubid=968163964505&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes

26 Hey, everybody, you can read about the real Route Irish at Michelle Malkin's blog. It's safer than Hollywood Blvd.

27 "Does anyone in here really believe the Islamic Middle East would SURVIVE, much less win, a "Full Scale" war against what would likely come down to at least a European/US/Israeli alliance?" If memory serves, a massively outnumbered Israel kicked the Arabs' asses three times, and our combat forces during Desert Storm were outnumbered ten to one, but still only took a couple of days to turn the sixth largest army in the world into the second largest one in Iraq. Arabs are totally inept at warfare, and always lose bigtime in any engagement against forces from the civilized world, because not only is their culture from the stone age, so is their battle doctrine. For people who suck at fighting, they would be well advised to avoid it, but oh well, let's give them what they want.

28 Oh boy! The rioters are in trouble now. The French are going to allow curfews and searches without the pre-approval of a judge. THAT SHOULD TEACH THEM NOT TO MESS WITH THE FRENCH. What a joke. The candy assed french have gone over to the liberal sissy side so long they don't know what to do. Maybe Chirac should ask Bush. Ha, Ha. I just keep remembering the french before and after the Iraq invasion. Keep the fires burning until they get some balls.

29 Its time to take the rubber bullets out of the guns,put real bullets in,and start shooting to kill anyone,I repeat,anyone,who continues to riot.We did it in new orleans to stop looters,and the French need to stop this nonsense and put this thing down before these idiots torch the whole country.

30 Maybe a sternly worded memo from the UN?

31 greyrooster ---- fuck off you silly cunt. How can you encourage people to burn a country down. You are so stupid you suck fuckwit.

32 Sure is fun to pop in here and take a few snipes at you all, in the spirit of Juba. Keep on rioting in France young brothers! Let's spread it around a bit more, like here in the US of Amerikkka! Lovin' it.

33 Sure is fun to watch idiots like you further prove how completely unnecessary and inconsequential you are. Thanx for the laugh, moron.

34 Yes, please, spread it to America. I just re-zeroed my rifle today and can't wait!

1 I hope you're happy President Bush!!! Look what you've done to those people and their country!!! Bring the troops home now!!! On the seriuos side, those are real soldiers; real heroes.

2 My post my rules eh finn. Off subject.

3 Feel free to remove everything I've ever said while your at it. None of it is about a subject.

4 Nah interesting site. greg would love it at least let me get my point across for five minutes before you pollute. you jerk my chain I delete you just fun stuff you know. Post a positive image of Finns hard at work in the former Yugoslavia. I know I know nasty stuff is more fun but for this post positive is the theme.

5 I could, but it's not right to brag about things I didn't do myself. And UN has just 2% of all the Finns in warzones, the rest are doing mercenary jobs who knows where. So I'd have to find out what they're doing before bragging about how great the peace keepers are.

6 Sounds like a good project though I'm sure Finland does great stuff too. No shame braggin on your country Finn. By the way hows the weather? Its sunny and 70 degrees here no not centigrade either. 2 % 20 % no matter you are helping and that is what counts.

7 Sometime back, I reported to you that the Americans used something like napalm in Fallujah, it's called "White Phosphorous". Go to: http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m10211&l=i&size=1&hd=0?to see the crispy Fallujan's who were the victims of American white phosphorous bombs. I'm sure you're very proud. Now, the mainstream media has picked this story up too. "The documentary begins with formerly classified footage of the Americans using napalm bombs during the Vietnam war. It then shows a series of photographs from Falluja of corpses with the flesh burnt off but clothes still intact - which it says is consistent with the effects of white phosphorus on humans. Jeff Englehart, described as a former US soldier who served in Falluja, tells of how he heard orders for white phosphorus to be deployed over military radio - and saw the results. "Burned bodies, burned women, burned children; white phosphorus kills indiscriminately... When it makes contact with skin, then it's absolutely irreversible damage, burning flesh to the bone," he says." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4417024.stm http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article325560.ece

8 Around 10 degrees Celsium, odd, moist, cloudy weather with a bit of warm rain 3-5 times a week... So very warm for this season, and I want SNOOOOOOOW! Good thing is the fish are spring active, worm, stick, hook and yarn, and you get a salmon in a minute if you know the good rivers.

9 Oh the humanity!

10 You illegitimate criminal US imperialists who lord it over! Your sily posturing that mocks the pain and suffering of the world children you abuse wholesaledly cannot hide your brazen criminal nakedness in the eyes of world progressives. Your crimes against humanity, making their lives miserable, never cease. http://songun-blog.blogspot.com/2005/11/us-imperialist-war-crimes.html

11 Oooooo criminal nakedness in the eyes of world progressives......sounds kinky and kinda fun. Is that like flashing Diane Feinstein?

12 I'm typing this comment in my "brazen nakedness".

13 Hey Banner, I got yer "brazen criminal nakedness" right here!

14 I love this site. I can vent my hatred of Islam and rejoice that the Western world is so great. Hooray for the USA!

15 Who is that banner of songun? Oh, crap, I thought he said shogun! I was almost interested in looking at his dumn blog until I realized he didn't mean shogun. Darn! Flashing Dianne Feinstein? I thought she was one of those old Breasts not Bombs hags! Well, the name does sound familiar. Hmmm....I'll think about it and get back with you, Graeme. Haha!

16 Oh, yeah, go Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force! You do a fine job and receive not a portion of the recognition you deserve. Thanks, Howie, for letting us see what good work our men are doing.

17 I think that as far as progressives go, Diane Feinstein would have one of the funniest reactions. Flashing Ted Kennedy probably wouldn't be the best way to go.

18 Willie Pete in Iraq? A fire mission with WP? What morons the left! Why stop there - how about neuton hand granades or particle beam weapons. 27 years in service and I know munitions and when where if ever they are used. I could explain how stupid that sounds but I already know it wouldn't make any difference to the idiots that want to believe this crap. The left amazes me! Many of the claims they make are so outlandishly over-the-top and they are oblivious to it!

19 nekkidddd!!!!!!.

20 They are just upset I made em look. I know cheap and ordinary but fun

21 dont froget the Bulgarian dude. I work with a lady from there and an East German lady. Night shift good workers.

22 Nah, Graeme, better not flash Teddy. He might get some weird ideas; well, weirder than he already has, if that is possible. HaHa! And I looked at the blog of the son of a gun, or was it son of a bitch? Well, whatever, he was breathing the, get this, North Korean party line. He was sucking up to the supreme leader, Kim Ilk Yilk, or whatever his name is. Son of Gun, or is it Bun, is lacky of unprogressive tool of repressive administration of war mongers. Ha!

23 I disrobed for the sole purpose of this post. My faux leather office chair is cold.

24 Hondo:"The left amazes me! Many of the claims they make are so outlandishly over-the-top and they are oblivious to it!" Look at the fucking pics you little bitch. Read the BBC report. Pull yo head out sher aaahes. Your brain is so fried with Depleted Uranium, you can't reason any longer. Go ahead and bend over, all the way.

25 Greg you silly little traitorous faggot. Shut the fuck up. Only a piece of shit would post on a blog he has been voted off of. No pride. You are nothing but a lonely little shit. Get lost. Punk!

26 Greg yes several things we use can cause that. It's war people get blown the hell up that's what happens that's what it looks like. Now I've not noticed us fire bombing cities to ashes lately. Dead burnt bodies are ugly what do you think people look like after a car bomb? What did peoples bodies look like as New yorkers were breathing them for months after 9-11.

27 Rooster, you lazy fuck. Uncensor yourself by pulling your head out of yer ass. Howie, Dude. Come on man. You're better than that. Look at the people's clothes. They're not burned. Only the flesh burns with Willie Pie. Did you read the BBC report? The Independent report? Have you seen the Italian documentary? Or are you in your safe place?

28 Finn: Hey that's not too bad how long till it's dark all the time. deaybreak here is right now about 6:00 and sunset about 5:30 or so. Getting shorter yuck. Record high here today 80f. I'll go look at the thermometer here in a minute. Stays nice here till Dec or so. Some cold but mostly nice best time of year fall here. Not too hot not cold yet. I'll be lucky to see two or three snows. 20 inches avg per year. I like it. We do get a bit of fairly cold 0f or so once in a while.

29 I never got a vote. My name is Menezes' Ghost. You celebrated my death. I'm going to haunt you, you sick fucker, for the rest of your short life. Got it Dick, or is it Richard?

30 No I have no doubt it may or may not be used and bombs are pretty much nasty. But I don't think we are going around just fire bombing whole cities like WWII. The damage is just as nasty but more direct I'm sure errors are made and people get killed. Could be ours could be a secondary explosion from the enemy. It's not pretty, wrong place wrong time it's a shame war but that's what it is. But good happens as well and I'm just pointing that out. No one wants to look at the good side because well let's face it, boring. But that also leads to a tilted perception that all is bad just because the bad gets told over and over and good gets overlooked because it's boring. I have no illusion that war is a good thing it sucks but tell that to the other side.

31 Uh those were for fin and greg repectively. I gotta go men I was just catching up on some work. Have a good one.

32 Haven't seen the sun in weeks, Howie, it's just a tiny ray of light in the horizon at about 13:00 GMT+2, if the sky is clear. Midday now, and there's light of some sort, but it's similar to summer nights. I like this murky time between complete light and complete darkness. I'm used to having at least 1 foot of powder snow at this time, and 6 feet in powder snow(/ ~3 feet of stomped+frozen) in January, when the temperature goes to the greatest ice fishing weathers. Those are the best days of winter: completely still wind, freezing -45 Celsius (-49 Fahrenheit), so cold that the fish you pull up from the constantly freezing hole in the ice are deepfrozen fast enough to melt in hot water and put into your own pond alive and well...

33 Heh, it's funny watching greg clatter and foam. Wassa matta greggy poo? Your little moonbat world coming apart on you? Your beloved muslims are destroying your beautiful socialist EUtopia, and you're just mad because it's supposed to be America burning, and not France, right? I only have one question: What's your breaking point? What horrible event or combination of events will it take for you to snap? Will it be when all socialist countries finally collapse and expose your beloved ideology as the sham that it was? Or maybe it will be a free and prosperous Iraq and the defeat of al Qaeda? Will you kill yourself then? Why don't you embrace the inevitable, then embrace the toaster as you step into the tub...

34 Look at the people's clothes. They're not burned. Only the flesh burns with Willie Pie. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Cotton ignites at 520C; white phosphorus burns at around 2800C. How does something 2280 degress above the ignition temperature not ignite cotton? Or maybe you're just repeating crap you don't understand?

35 Finn: So you also get northern lights too I bet. Cool I can see em once in a blue moon and then it's mostly just a glow too far south for a good show. I would like to take a trip over there one winter and one summer. Just to look it over I hear it's really great. I may not make it over there but maybe Moosefactory Canada or Alsaka one of these days. For not Bumfuct Egypt is pretty awesome. So my intent of this thread was some positive picks should have known the comments would kind of go astray I mean this is the jawa and since the theme seems to be gross pics on comments, post your back if you like. Go with the flow eh, Im over my drunken with power binge. Now back to my loose green tea my cube mates wife brought back from Vietnam. Uh trust me the stuff we get here is nothing like this in fact I'm a bit worried about splaining it's freaking green tea stupid er I mean officer. It looks kind of unlawful hell maybe it is I feel damn good since I've been drinking it quite stimulating.

36 Robert Crawford:"I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Cotton ignites at 520C; white phosphorus burns at around 2800C." Robert, Willlie Pie interacts with water. That is why it doesn't burn clothes. If you look at the pics, you'll see that melting occurs first at orifices and mucous membranes. See for yourself: http://www.uruk net.info/?p=m10211&l=i&size=1&hd=0 (Take Out Space)

37 Ghost -- you're wrong. WP's reactions in water is thousands times slower than that in air. In fact: The allotrope white phosphorus should be kept under water at all times and therefore presents a significant fire hazard due to its extreme reactivity to atmospheric oxygen The same source mentions that contact with the skin can cause severe burns, but also that ingestion causes a 'medical condition known as "Smoking Stool Syndrome"'. Now, if WP had a particular affinity for mucous membranes, then I suspect that ingesting it would cause a condition more serious than "smoking stool syndome". In fact, that name suggests that the WP doesn't react -- or reacts very, very slowly -- despite being IN CONTINUOUS CONTACT WITH MUCOUS MEMBRANES. It's only when it hits the air again -- mixed in with stool -- that it begins to burn. The "melting" you're talking about is almost certainly an effect of decomposition. Go read Daily Ablution, if you're truly interested in a contrary take on those photos.

38 And here, from the CDC: Breathing white phosphorus for short periods may cause coughing and irritation of the throat and lungs. Breathing white phosphorus for long periods may cause a condition known as "phossy jaw" which involves poor wound healing of the mouth and breakdown of the jaw bone. Eating or drinking small amounts of white phosphorus may cause liver, heart, or kidney damage, vomiting, stomach cramps, drowsiness, or death. We do not know what the effects are from eating or drinking very small amounts of white phosphorus-containing substances over long periods of time. Skin contact with burning white phosphorus may burn skin or cause liver, heart, and kidney damage. The people who are telling you what you're repeating here are lying to you.

39 Robert, Some agent was used that interacts with intracellular and extracellular fluids. Look at the mouths and the noses to see where the damage is most severe. Got any explanations?

40 Greg, do a little Googling™ and see for yourself. When a white phosphorous grenade detonates, the phosphorous is burning when it hits you. It's what gives tracer rounds their little flame trail, and yes, it will burn clothes. It will burn pretty much anything it touches. From the internet: A hard waxy substance, pure white when fresh but yellow as it ages and slowly converts to the red allotrope. White phosphorous glows in the dark if just a trace of oxygen is present and which if allowed to dry spontaneously bursts into flame producing prodigious amounts of white phosphorous pentoxide smoke. It is usually stored under water or mineral oil.

41 Some agent was used that interacts with intracellular and extracellular fluids. Look at the mouths and the noses to see where the damage is most severe. Got any explanations? An agent that acts on bodily fluids, particularly around the openings of a corpse? I hope the answer is too obvious to require me to point it out. Since it's probably not, I'll say it: "DECAY". The decomposing tissues release green substances and gas which make the skin green/blue and blistered, starting on the abdomen. The front of the body swells, the tongue may protrude and fluid from the lungs oozes out of the mouth and nostrils. Source: BBC Health The build up of gas resulting from the intense activity of the multiplying bacteria, creates pressure within the body. This pressure inflates the body and forces fluids out of cells and blood vessels and into the body cavity. Source: Stage 3: Putrefaction (warning: graphic) The appearance of "leather" is another side effect of decomposition: The other [unembalmed] bodies were becoming a rich sienna brown, an earthen color—"scorched" as the tissues broke down and fatty acids ran off into the soil. (Soil under a decomposing body is another subject of study.) The appearance of "melting" is likely another effect of decomposition, but I can't find anything that mentions it. It could be drying out, or possibly the exact opposite -- fluids shifting to places we wouldn't expect.

42 Robert, I guess our allies, the Brits, are lying about us. Although, I note you also link BBC. http://news.bbc.co. uk/2/hi/middle_east/4417024.stm?http://news.independent.co. uk/world/middle_east/article325560.ece (TAKE OUT SPACES) I guess Jeff Englehart,lied too. "Jeff Englehart, described as a former US soldier who served in Falluja, tells of how he heard orders for white phosphorus to be deployed over military radio - and saw the results. "Burned bodies, burned women, burned children; white phosphorus kills indiscriminately... When it makes contact with skin, then it's absolutely irreversible damage, burning flesh to the bone," he says." I guess our allies, the Italians, are lying about us. Check out their new documentary. Apparently, we have also used MK 77, a new formulary of napalm, in Iraq. http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/foto/documento_ministero.jpg Who are you going to believe, the government or your own lying eyes?

43 I linked to the BBC, sure. I linked to a non-political article about the decomposition of corpses. I backed that up with citations from sources that are pretty clearly non-political. And, no, I don't believe Englehart -- he's an activist who has cause to lie. Same with the reporters behind the Italian story, which is pretty much the same story the Independent picked up. But, basically, it comes down to this: I cited scientific evidence debunking the claims made about WP and explaining the appearance of the corpses in those photos. You've refused the evidence, circling your claims back around to your original sources. I've done pretty much all I can. You're not interested in subjecting the hysterical claims to challenge, apparently. You could at least apologize for wasting my time.

44 Jeff Englehart is a proven liar. Damn, Greg, are you drunk? Go the The Daily Ablution, read the post and comments, and you will learn something. The problem, Greg, is just what was described earliar. You liberals will believe anything, no matter how stupid, if it will make the military look bad.

45 Robert, What of this? Apparently, we have also used MK 77, a new formulary of napalm, in Iraq. http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/foto/documento_ministero.jpg JJ, Go away.

46 So what if we did use napalm? No laws against it. Given the terrorists' habit of using civilians for cover, I wouldn't be surprised if innocent people were in the impact area. Go look up the laws of war; the people sheltering among civilians are the ones responsible for their deaths. Are you even going to apologize for wasting my time? I gotta agree with JJ: Liberals will believe anything that makes the US or the US military look bad. And they'll cling to that belief stronger than a fundamentalist clings to Genesis.

47 There are laws against napalm, but we are not a signatory.

48 We do use it against against certain targets. It is used to drive the enemy out of secure postions.

49 As we are not signatories, there is no law against using napalm. When are you going to apologize for wasting my time?

50 Robert, How adorable, you want an apology.

51 Yes, because you were wasting my time. You had no interest in facts, because you had already made up your mind and had no intention of reconsidering. Now I realize you're just a troll, so no apology is necessary.

52 I FUCK OF USA I´M FROM TURKAY AND A MOSLAM WELCOME IN THE REPUBLIC OF ISLAM!!! CHRIST MOTHERFUCKER

53 Hey thanks servet you just gave me and ever 50 comments so cool.

54 Brave servlet turkey from Turkey is too chicken to post his actual email. Darn.

55 Robert, Pure tender soul. I MADE you waste your time. I made you SLAVE. What would a real conservative say about that?

56 So, greg, found any good porn with little boys lately, or are you just going to take another sex tourism trip to Europe where you can bugger immigrant kids?

1 Hee Hee! Thanks for the laugh...Fuck is such a funny word and to see it used so creatively is brilliant. Where did you find all those whackjobs? Please return the rock to it's proper place, so they can crawl back under it.

1 How can they claim to have free spesch/debates on blogs, if only left thinking people can comment on leftish blogs and only right thinking people can comment on right wing blogs? What's the point? Talk about preaching to the converted! I deliberately look at & comment on blogs that do not think the same way as me, so I can understand their point of view better & sometimes to try and show why my stance is as it is. I don't expect to "convert" anyone, but do have the right to express my views reasonably, and be treated courteously if/when re-buffed. Surely the professor has to justify his decision to someone if it is questioned/appealed? A difference of opinion (political or otherwise) can not be a reason for giving or witholding qualifications.

2 You ought to get in touch with David Horowitz over at Front Page Magazine (www.frontpagemag.com) He's been leading the acedemic freedom movement to expose left-wing professors within the country's colleges and universities.

3 Trolling and discussion is a vital part of the blogs it appear to me he is not a troll except he does not agree with the blog.

4 The best thing about the coming breakdown of order in the world is that we will have the freedom to hunt down liberals and hang them by the dozens, as we should be able to do now were it not for this pesky law and order that, ironically, the liberals have been trying to destroy for so long. As they say, be careful what you wish for... If they want a total collapse of law and order, well then, let's give it to them.

5 As a former 31 year resident of Iowa I find this disturbing. To think that part of my tax dollars from the age I started working at age 14 until I moved to Oregon in 2002 went to pay this moron professors salary upsets me. I called both the dept. head's office (Prof. Martin was in a meeting) and the UNI President's office (he was out also) but I did speak to a nice lady at the presiden't office and I voiced my displeasure to her about Hettle's behavior. I also gave her the URL of Paul's blog and also the URL to here at Mypetjawa. I also gave her my name and number and told her to call me if she had any other questions. She said she would forward this info to the university's law dept. Hopefully we can get this Hettle idiot punished for his assinine behavior.

6 You mean, of course, give Paul your support... unless you're in academia. I despair.

7 If what Paul Deignan wrote is cause for banning or worse, the harassment from a jerk prof, almost every post I've ever read from anyone should be banned!

1 OOOps Ohio too. Wow I like the no no no no no. In fact I some days wonder if the correct vote on everything everywhere no matter what should be no no no no no. If were to ever run for anything (dog catcher maybe) my pledge would be not to vote for anything because no matter the bill by the time it comes to a vote it's trash, what it's for is not what it really does and carries 50 hitchers. Said bill title is just the issue that carries all the other bullshit through. But how can you be against this or that. Well I'm not it's the rest that needs to go.

2 I wouldn't trust Ken Blackwell with the dogcatcher election, let alone anything important, and yet, replacing him with a commission would likely make matters worse. Corrupt secretaries of state can be gotten rid of. Corrupt bureaucracies stick around a lot longer.

3 I wouldn't trust Ken Blackwell with the dogcatcher election Why?

4 Sounds like they're trying to implement the same problems they're trying to get rid of in California with #4.

5 Personally, Ken Blackwell is one of the few Republicans left in Ohio that I do trust. He's stuck to principles and gone up against both Democrats and Republicans when necessary.

1 http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2005/11/irs_cracking_do.htm

2 The Australians have by the truck load, that which Europe now lacks: pride and a deep seated belief in the defense of country.....They fit the true definition of "ally" However, I'm still not ready to forgive them for unleashing Air Supply upon an unsuspecting world. Some wounds never heal.

3 Good on ya, mates!

4 Air Supply was a bad deal...but then again so was Hall and Oates. Indonesia will be Australia's frontline. The vermin there are closer than they are to any other western nation...apart from the nations they have already infested.

5 The kangaroo and emu have snagged some rela wild dingos feed them to the gators

6 Foiled! And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids... Ya know, when the 'slamotards and liberals and other assorted scum decide to rise up here, I'm going to carve "Route Irish" in the flesh of every one I get my hands on.

7 Sandpiper: Crocs.

8 The Australians have more balls than the British by a mile... perhaps the British have smoked so many fags that they are what they (eat)smoke!

9 http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodli.asp?DeptNo=5000&ClassNo=0502

10 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10895.htm

11 ....I gathered accounts of the use of phosphorus and napalm from a few Fallujah refugees whom I met before being kidnapped, says Manifesto reporter Giuliana Sgrena, who was kidnapped in Fallujah last February, in a recorded interview. I wanted to get the story out, but my kidnappers would not permit it....

12 Terroists =) What do you have against these peace-loving followers of Mother Earth?

13 Napalm against scum willing to behead innocents and bomb market places? The classics never go out of style. As for complaining about the "Wily Pete", someone's got their priorities seriously messed up. I wouldn't be as concerned about the phosphorous marker as the Maverick missile travelling a few seconds behind it.

14 Queen of England is also the Queen of Australia, Queen of Wales and at least at the moment Queen of Scotland and Northern Ireland, right? So, Australia is a part of Great Britain. Therefore, Aussies are Brits, so Brits have as much balls as Aussies. The wrong way to use standardized logic? Indeed.

15 They have been our allies for over a century. And very good one. I had the good fortune to spend some time in the bush with some Aussie Rangers 37 years ago. Stout fellows. Strong believers is what today we call "Classical Liberalism"; we just called it common sense 37 years ago. an old exJarhead

16 Route Irish: OK dude learn to code a link or something else usefull.

17 Tan me hide when I dead Fred tan me hide when I'm dead. He died and we tanned is hyde and that's it hanging on the shed Or something like that. Grandpa some days tells old war stories. You don't mess with Brits or Aussies in the Phillipines he says they made Americans look like school boys. Japs would surrender and of course prisoners are a problem to take care of. Uh well they were not a problem for the Brits or Aussies they didn't take any and taught us a few lessons and why you don't. They slow you down and use up your food and keep you from fighting. The Americans would take some or use a bullet to the head. The Brits and Aussies said that was a waste of ammo and that is what your bayonette is for yankee.

18 In a guerilla-type war, prisoners are far more useful than in a conventional engagement, because dead men tell no tales, but live ones will sing like a bird when you clip the jumper cables onto their sack.

19 Read this and understand why the muslim scum must be driven from western society. Why do these pigs choose to live amongst us? An Australian Muslim cleric who said Osama bin Laden was a "great man" has been named by police as the spiritual leader of a group of 16 men charged on Tuesday with planning a terrorist attack in Australia. Abdul Nacer Benbrika, also known as Abu Bakr, has long been monitored by Australian authorities and grabbed headlines in August after he praised bin Laden, blamed for the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. He is a self-styled leader of a fundamentalist Islamic group of young followers in the suburbs of Australia's second-biggest city, Melbourne. Some of these followers, local radio reported, attended militant training camps in Asia. "Osama Bin Laden, he is a great man," Benbrika, 45, told Australian Broadcasting Corp. (ABC) radio in August. Following police raids in Sydney and Melbourne on Tuesday, Benbrika was charged with directing the activities of a terrorist organization and remanded in custody until January. Benbrika's passport was confiscated in March on advice from the Australian Security Intelligence Organization, which then raided his Melbourne home in June, ABC radio has reported. But Benbrika, a dual Australian/Algerian citizen who has at least six children and has lived in Melbourne since 1989, denied he was a security threat. "I am not involved in anything here. I am teaching my brothers here the Koran and the Sunna, and I am trying my best to keep myself, my family, my kids and the Muslims close to this religion," he told the ABC, referring to the holy book and the code of conduct for Muslims. Benbrika said he opposed anyone trying to harm his religion. He also said it was a "big problem" for Muslims reconciling their religion with life in Australia. "There are two laws. There is Australian law. There is Islamic law," he said, adding the only law that needed to be spread was Islam. "Jihad is part of my religion, and what you have to understand that anyone who fights for the sake of Allah ... (with) the first drop of blood that comes from him out, all his sin will be forgiven," he said. Other Australian Muslim leaders have said Benbrika represented a minority view, and Prime Minister John Howard did not invite Benbrika to a summit of key Muslim leaders in August.

20 The only time the Aussies didn't serve alongside the Americans in the last hundred years was the Spanish-American war........Nuff said!

21 "Jihad is part of my religion, and what you have to understand that anyone who fights for the sake of Allah ... (with) the first drop of blood that comes from him out, all his sin will be forgiven," How about that? Maybe our Aussie brothers will arrange for the forgiveness of all his sins.

1 I think Route Irish is a modern version of that character that put up posters and bills on any available wall surface (construction sites etc). Today he would be considered a spammer - I hope he makes at least a couple of cents per posting.

2 Route Irish is clearly a spammer though not apparently a commercial one. Either way - spam has no place on anyones blog and should be removed. Here in NY - a moderate Dem (aka lib Republican) vs. a lib Dem for mayor. Here in NY only a lib Dem can make it thru the primaries - if your a conservative or moderate Dem then take a hike or change parties. Bloomberg by 15+ pts either way - Red America! Pray for me on that isolated island fortess we call Staten Island.

3 He's not a very good spammer as he can't code a link.

4 Notice that, eh! Wonder what he gets paid for it.

1 But Muslims don't want to integrate into British society they want their flag over Buckingham Palace and have said so.

2 Britain has never been a muslim nation so these people should either conform or go back to their own miserable nations. Why do they always want their own way and why does anyone in the west even entertain their archiac viewpoints? Let's be as hard on them in our countries as they would be if we tried to dictate terms in theirs.

3 Here's and idea, don't to anything terroristy and these laws won't affect you.

4 Muhammad was gay

5 Ah, but Brassy, therein lies the rub! Only those negatively effected have cause to complain, and oddly enough, it's only the 'splodeydopes complaining. Imagine that...

6 Andy, yer prob'ly right. Like most other arab males, Mohammed's (boiling lard upon him) sexual preferences were probably pretty broad, including pretty much anyone or anything he could wrestle to the ground. We know from islamic teachings that he liked his women young, as in prepubescent, and he probably buggered his fair share of boys on those long, lonely caravan expeditions, which is historically known to have been quite common. The fact that we have let these perverted savages infest our culture just makes me sick. It's time to clean house.

7 Me, I'd kind of like to see these punks bring that crap to the States. Opening Day, it's not just for deer season anymore.

8 "...a sense of growing alienation of Muslims that feels excluded from mainstream society..." Hmmm. Could it be because they refuse to assimilate and hole up in their own, separate communities? You know, so they don't have to rub elbows with the infidel and sully themselves? They're taught NOT to fraternize with us so when they're not included in all the other reindeer games, they say it's "our" fault. And then they have the gall to say, "We want our own separate laws." NoooOOOooo. -------------------------------------- AND WHAT THE HELL IS ALL THAT ADVERTISING IN THE SIDEBAR!!? "Muslim Dating", "Find a Muslim Spouse" and "Muslim Marriage Site". Huh? What's up widdat? And "dontblamemeivotedforkerry.com" WTF? I'd have a nice long talk with Google Ads if I were you.

9 Islamic Human Rights Commission......I challenge anyone to say that with a straight face. "and weakening the desire of Muslims to integrate into Britain's multicutural society"....... "Why yes, I WAS going to get with the program and join every OTHER group of immigrants in this integration thing, buuut I'm not so sure now. I was going to start tomorrow, but I think I'll wait and see if things improve."

10 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174747,00.html

11 It used to be people came into the US to escape the crap of their home nation. Why do they want to come into our country now and make it as crappy as their home nation?

12 Graeme, I tried to say Islamic Human Rightttss Ccccomissssion with a straighttttt fffface, but dammmmnnn iittttt, you'reeee rrrightttt. Hahahahaha! Good one, Graeme.

13 Plague rats neither know nor care that they carry pestilence from place to place, and do not set out with the intention to be vermin; they are what they are, and cannot be otherwise, and so really can't be blamed for being plague rats. That, however, is the sum total of the difference between plague rats and muslims.

14 Massive deportations of all that practice islam is the only answer. That includes the United States.

15 Where is that dear Mrs. Aginoth when we so need to hear a Brit's take on the latest threat from the Islamists. As her automobile is being firebombed, and the perpetuators shout, Allah is great, here is Mrs. A., referring to us Americans: "Dear me, you colonials are nothing more than a race of louts, now where is my tea?"

16 joe, "louts" should most likely read "yobs" and referring to a "spot of tea" to make it ultra British

17 Dave, It's that damn Irish from my mom's family, I tell ya'. We never get it right!

18 It is time to give free food to all Muslims in Britain, and I promise if I am put in charge of the United Kingdom that the very next morning every single Muslim in the UK will be given free Bacon and Eggs for breakfast, and a Ham and Cheese sandwich for lunch. If they do not want it, I will see that they are forced to eat it. Then I will enroll all Muslim children in mandatory farm camps where they will learn how to raise pigs. I believe that these wonderful gestures of welfare and giveaways to the Muslims of Great Britain will be just what they need.

19 How about we shoot them in the streets or slice off their heads and publish the video to the web? Sound familiar? Reciprocity is a great concept...Oh, yeah. Someone find Route Irish and give him a lift to the Middle East so he doesn't have to live amongst us infidels anymore.

1 France Germany Belgium Denmark Sweden Britain Russia America What do these nations have in common? If anyone doesn't know already, I'm not wasting my time explaining it. Lock and load people of the civilized world; war is here, and the barbarian is at the gate.

2 Damn IM I hate it when I have a big old post of blips that were good and then they go off the great electro beyond. I'll try again later. Darn darn darn.

3 I always copy my posts before I clicky the "Post" button, then I laugh wickedly and flip off the computer screen.

4 Quote: "The terrorists are betting we canÂ’t put down the bag of chips and will wishful think our way strait to defeat. We can defeat the terrorists, no problem." We most certainly cannot defeat the terrorists, except by being a greater evil than they are. I think the terrorists have already seen that America is willing and able to blow up whoever and whatever it wants (civilians included) to get to them, and they're counting on it to bolster their ranks and increase their popularity. Both sides of this conflict love to engage in speech-giving, chest-beating and flag-waving. It's a matter of pride. Both sides are driven by pride and false ideals of what they think the world should be like. Both think civilian losses are acceptable to achieve their goal. Both think their goals can be acheived by way of military resistance. Both sides are aversed to combating evil through education. Just for fun toss in the fact that one side also has the unbridled capacity to cause destruction (by way of vastly superior military might). What's so sad in all this is that the so-called "civilized world" has yet to realize that they cannot win, no matter what their military might. Neither side can win. The reality of the matter is that we are all losing. The best course of action to adopt is one of humility. I hear lots of talk of sacrifice from both sides, but who'll be first to sacrifice their pride? There is no easy course of action to take here and every choice will result in loss of life. But, the path with the best chances of success is NOT the path we're pursuing right now. Again, this is a war neither side can win. It can ONLY lead to more devastation. Every battle you think you've won will actually have inspired a new generation of terrorists. And every victory they think they've won will only result in more bombs being chucked their way. Along the way both sides will have grown so accustomed to killing that civlization will be dead, that is, devoid of all humanity. There will be nothing to save. (Some might argue we're already in such a state). For all the Hollywood-inspired speech-giving that Bush can be credited with, for all the talk of peace, justice and freedom, there is really nothing to be left worth preserving. Every innocent life taken is costing us all of humanity. Quote: "because the truth is just so inconvenient." I think this is the very plain truth. Determination to overpower and military might are irrelevant. This war cannot be won. It may at some point even appear to be won, but in reality, the seeds for an even greater conflict will have been sown. The age of victory by war is over.

5 Nice speech. A little excessive on the drama, but...

6 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm

7 Route Irish, http://i.b5z.net/i/u/1350838/i/kissmyass_0001.jpg

8 Go away Route Irish...your links are boring and so are you.

9 Every innocent life taken is costing us all of humanity. After that speech, I only have one question: Imp: when is the day you talk about going to arrive? I find myself daydreaming about it daily.

10 Of all the appeasement bullshit I have ever seen or heard, the piece by Mirza, obviously a Muslim and a fifth columnist, takes the cake. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit! Please excuse the language, but nothing else seemed appropriate.

11 I want mirza and all other adherents of the pedophle mohammed, (scalding bacon grease upon him), to know this: The day will come when the civilized men of the world will stop being civilized. There is coming a Reckoning, and the toll shall be heavy. If any of you survive on our soil, it will be a miracle.

12 Sohail Mirza: Are you fucking nuts? Or just another raghead. Which is the same as being fucking nuts. Do you goat buggerers actually believe we will lose this war before ridding the world of the muslim menance? Muslim assholes are getting closer to their 72 virgins and one camel (their preferred lovers) everyday. Someday, and I hope soon civilization will realize where muslim terrorists come from. I already know. FROM OTHER MUSLIMS. So the solution should be obvious.

13 Is anyone in France armed with a firearm, including the police, and if armed, why are they afraid to use them? Does anyone out there from France or anywhere else have an answer to this question?

14 The only experience the French have with firearms is when they saw Germans and Americans using them for purposes indecipherable to the French; i.e., fighting.

15 http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodli.asp?DeptNo=5000&ClassNo=0502

16 It's obvious no rational discussion can be had here. Expecting to find reason and rationality, I instead find blind hatred and lack of understanding. I should have expected that racism would be a popular tool for the illiterate. Far be it for me to expect the "civilized" netizens to rise above the same language and hatred spewed by their opponents. jesusland: I don't know what a "fifth columnist" is, but I'm not a journalist of any sort. greyrooster: I'm not saying the western nations will lose the war. Did you actually read what I wrote? Everyone loses. Both sides are utterly obstinate in the face of the rational conclusion that this conflict is not resolvable by means of war. I.e. the war will continue to escalate, spurred on by racism, hatred, mostly fear, and will inevitably end in a major disaster that will affect the entire globe.... err, that means you as well. Do you know what an end-game scenario is? Well that's what the current global climate is playing out to as long as this war is being fed unendingly by both parties involved. By the way, what's a raghead? A rag is something you blow your nose into or some such. I believe you're referring to a turban, which is a piece of cloth used to cover the head out of respect. You'll take care to note that across time in all major civilizations, the covering of the head has been considered a privilege, a right, or an honour, depending on where one is. The Native chieftans wear headresses. The kings of old wore crowns. Well culturally, some Muslims cover their heads because we believe that privilege of respect has been extended to all men and women, not just leaders of tribes or nations. You should take care to note that not even 50-60 yrs ago in North America, you wouldn't catch a self-respecting man on the street without a hat (i.e. a head-covering). If the principle has existed in such a variety of societies and across such a span of time, why single out one nation, one culture for covering the head? Improbulus: Please take your rose-coloured glasses off. The men you take to be "civilized men" are no better than the extremists of today. They have committed their share of crimes, and perpetuated their share of injustice... perhaps more than any other civilization in the history of the world. They simply have created a legal infrastructure that allows them to carry on with impunity, and bred a populace so fat from its own prosperity and so proud of its own accomplishment that it fails to notice. They misuse the moniker of "civilization". No nation before this western civilization has had the capacity and wealth to either save or destroy all of humanity, and here you are, egging us on to destroy it. Bravo. We shall see what this civilized nation will do. Civilized nation indeed... and what you refer to as "our soil", that wouldn't be the soil you took from the people that inhabited it before you, would it? That wouldn't be the same soil where a nation was built upon the backs of slaves, would it? The same soil upon which now stands a country that is open and free enough to allow me to stay here? You should not have the gaul to be surprised if I am still here... instead you should be surprised you have not had everyone on this soil blown to kingdom come by now by way of your ignorance, arrogance, and sheer lunacy. You want to prove your civility? There's plenty of opportunity to do so! Go into a continent like Africa and do your best. It seems to be wonderously simple for this "coalition" to deploy 200,000 troops into a country like Iraq where you can claim you've done it all for the good of the people. If you want to prove your civility, then go forth and deploy 200,000 educators, scientists, engineers and labourers into Africa. See if for once you can build a continent instead of destroy it. Go, teach them and aid them in building hospitals, schools, roads, infrastructure, and such. Only if we do that can we dare call ourselves civilized. We're awesome at serving ourselves, but what about others? THAT would be the mark of civility. You call us servants of a paedophile? You cannot tarnish the history of that Prophet, or of Islam, or of that part of the world, just as you cannot tarnish the accomplishments of Western civilization with your barbarity. The very numbers you use in your day to day life are referred to as "Arabic" numerals... they were given to the Europeans by the Arabs. While Europe was in the dark ages, the Muslim world was progressing in all fields of study, from philosophy to biology to mathematics, to astronomy. While the Europeans were busy trying to manage their own floundering fiefdoms, ridden with the very same ignorance and arrogance you perpetuate today, the Muslims were advancing the world and civilization as a whole. They were the ones studying the works of the Greeks and the Romans, the knowledge that the Europeans inherited. Is that the legacy of a paedophile? It was Islam that brought peace and unity to the warring tribes of Arabia and turned it into an intellectual, academic, and economic powerhouse. Islam did this by uniting people, and encouraging them to help each other. Those are the hallmarks of any great civilization. Why don't you cite this portion of history, when you you're so quick to think you know the personal details of the man who sparked this movement? You know nothing other than how to repeat the same accusations that Orientalists have been making against Islam and the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for ages. The same baseless accusations. My religion teaches me to respect yours and to respect all men of God. Does yours teach you to hate me? Is that the mark of civility? If that Reckoning you speak of should befall us, it will befall ALL of us (all of humanity), and only by the hands of someone that thinks like you. While you'll be busy wishing death and destruction upon a portion of humanity, I and others like me will be helping all men, all people. History will remember us as the civilized ones, not you.

17 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10354108

18 You long winded piece of pig shit, all through history you have been nothing but sand snakes. When the oil's gone it's back to hearding goats and camels.

19 Those retards are so dead... Started rioting in Germany. Man, they're all gonna die. And if somehow the Muslims start rioting in Finland, suddenly all the rioters everywhere start disappearing.

20 ...and I'm not kidding. SuPo is very, very, very good at that.

21 "My religion teaches me to respect yours and to respect all men of GoD"-So says mirza. Then you need to convince the jihadists who have taken over your religion and declared war on the civilized world to stop. If the 'moderate' Muslims, and I'm not sure they exist, do not rid Islam of the extremists, then you have yourselves to blame for the hate being directed against you. When a religion tells its followers to kill anyone who doesn't believe in it, then how do you expect people about to be killed in the most violent of means(throat cut or beheaded)to feel? This seems barbaric to me, and I will resist it with every fiber of my soul. The ball is in your court, mirza.

22 Ajatollahs are almost as bad as medieval Popes. The only thing missing is a "cleansing of the faith" against protestant, non-conservative Muslims.

23 Pig: Sorry to be so long-winded. I'll try to make my replies shorter. It's a vice of mine. However, you stand on nothing but conjecture. Don't hate me because you have nothing substantial to challenge me with. Instead, why not make it a goal to seek truth? Or if you're bent on sticking to your attitude of arrogance, then put your money where your mouth is. Stop using the Arab numeric system, forsake all the knowledge and science you got from them. Will you go back to herding cow then? Do you prefer pride to humility? Of course, far be it for you to have learnt anything from a lowly Arab, right? How dare I suggest such a thing? You can deny history all you want, but you just make yourself seem ridiculously absurd. Every great civilization has accomplishments and made its mark on humanity, including the Muslim civilization. I agree on one point though, the Arabs are currently far too dependent on oil. They've essentially squandered their legacy of knowledge and intellectual pursuit, and have relied entirely on the wealth from one source. Unless they refocus their wealth on building infrastructure and on education, they'll really be in for it once the oil wells have gone dry. Anyways, I don't know why my comments have caused such furor here. If you have a better line of reasoning, then calmly present it and I'll listen. If you can imagine a scenario where we militarily beat the terrorists without becoming animals ourselves, I'd love to hear it. I guarantee though, I can come up with a more plausible scenario that leads to our mutual destruction. When you discuss though, try to be realistic. Every great civilization prior to this one ended. What makes us so sure this one is any different under the circumstances? It shows all same traits of decadence, ignorance, and arrogance that were contributing factors in the fall of the last great empire (the Romans). What makes us better? jesusland: Thanks for the coherent response! I largely agree, that the ball is in our court. What needs to be understood is that the only effective weapon against extremism is knowledge. Bombing and killing terrorists and the societies that harbour them will only produce more terrorists. There's simply no two ways about it. Thus, the only effective weapon is knowledge. Knowledge can be spread by educating people... the thing is, it takes longer than simply going in and trying to kill the terrorists. It doesn't look as good, politically, and is impossible to achieve in the 8 years alloted to any American president. In the long term, this is the only solution. When you educate a people, treat them like equals, help them to prosper, that's when we really win. That's what keeps extremism out of the hearts of those people. Remember, you cannot force democracy, nor can you force a way of life on anyone. You can only educate them. This is the goal and mission of my religious community (http://www.alislam.org/). What needs to be understood is that the religion of Islam in no way directs people to kill non-Muslims. Historically, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together for centuries in the Islamic empire. In some cases they even shared the same house of worship. It's very clearly stated in the Quran that "there is no compulsion in matters of faith" (Chapter 2, verse 257). So it's quite incorrect to think that the religion preaches hatred or violence in any way. The view of Islam is that God has established the difference between what is right and what is wrong, whether one accepts or rejects that is up to them. You and I have been granted total freedom of conscience and faith, and no one can take that from us. Instead of this just ideology though, what is happening right now around the globe is that extremism and ignorance have gotten a foothold in some societies. Uneducated, illiterate, or simply power-hungry peoples have been given an extremely violent and illogical (not to mention, factually incorrect) interpretation of Islam. They would use anything to advance their own purposes, Islam is just convenient for them. Of course, when you conveniently leave out the parts of the Quran that talk about only fighting defensively, you are obviously willing to twist the philosophy to say whatever it is you want it to. If you want to read about the peaceful message of Islam, there's a good article here: http://www.alislam.org/islam/islam-peaceful-religion.pdf (be careful, it's a PDF!) Again, the extremist attitude simply cannot be combated by way of military power. The only way to root out this ignorance is through education and patience. This is true willpower. We have to have the will to do things the right way, whether it costs us our lives or not. It will no doubt take time and money, and we may not profit, except by measure of human life and civility. We will need to change our goals and perceptions. Pursuing this course of action will require us to sacrifice our own comfort at times. My only hope is that we aren't driven by insecurity and fear of death to commit the same atrocities against others and unwittingly give more people reason to adopt an extremist way of life. What we will inevitably be held to is our own belief and our own actions. If the terrorists keep pushing us, how far will we go? Are we afraid to die while pursuing a more correct, a more just course of action? Will we return every injustice of theirs with an injustice of our own? That's a no win situation, and that's what I'm trying to make clear here. Btw, I applaud your resistance and opposition to the barbaric injustices of the beheadings and such. I too resist it with every fibre of my soul. I would not hesitate to lay down my life in combat if I thought it would help to achieve a peaceful end, but instead I believe my life, wealth, and time are better spent in securing a more long-term solution, one that involves educating and englightening. Crucial to all this is that we not lose our own humanity, and not lose ourselves to anger and fear. Pig: sorry to be long winded again

24 I'd like to read that, but since either the text or the background are always bright white, so my eyes go sore if I read that much at once... Could you please summarize and post the long story short?

25 The paragrah that starts with"Instead of this just ideology though, what is happening right now around the globe..." is what we fight. You cannot reason with these people. They cannot be educated to accept the concept of all people "just getting along". What would you have us do? Sit back, get picked off and slaughtered one by one as we try to teach their children? You're being unrealistic. It all sounds like pretty flowers and chocolate rivers to preach peace and love, but someone has to fight them on the only terms they'll accept. Do you really think any of us WANTS war just for the sake of war?

26 Mirza, I fully agree with what you say in the sense that this is what the Koran should say. But, alas, it does not. There are Sura after Sura that demand that the others be killed, taxed, or converted. The infidel is to be killed and you are to plunder his wealth. Sorry, I didn't make that up. I am of the opinion that Islam will not be compatible with the modern world until it is remade. Perhaps you are the one to do just that. I pray so, because I do feel this has to stop somewhere. Please don't take everyone too serious here, it is a place to come and blow off steam and get rid of frustrations.

27 Finn: The short of it is that I think waging this war is untenable, inequitable and will ultimately not produce peace. The Muslim world is rife with ignorance and barbarity, and it is a challenge upon us that we should approach this problem with humanity and rationality. Oyster: They most certainly can be educated. It's in our best interests and is the only viable solution. It's the only way to breed long term peace. Alternately we can remain naive and believe that our will is greater than theirs and we can be warring for decades upon decades. If we choose to take a more peaceful approach, no doubt we'll lose some lives along the way, but that, by any measure, is what a true martyr is. Unfortunately, it is sometimes the cost of pursuing the most humane, just and rational course of action. For example, sending 100 troops on the ground to sweep a hostile location with concern for civilian life is more just than bombing indisciminately. It's certain more soldiers would be at risk, some may die, but that's a cost we should accept for the preservation of innocent life. That's what it means to say that the life of someone else is equal to my life. Their worth is equal to mine. That's what true sacrifice and willpower are. We should not fear death. We should acknowledge that doing the right thing sometimes costs lives. If I die while we pursue a just course of action, I would consider that a worthwhile trade. It would be sad, we would hope it could be avoided, but in the end life is worth nothing unless it's lived for the right reasons. Mind you, I'm a regular guy! I pay my taxes, go to work, take out the garbage, et al, it's just that I'm willing to die to do the right thing. I think as a society we need to free ourselves of our fear of death. War is simply our reaction when we are too afraid to do the right thing. I'm not saying we should throw away our lives, or that we should let ourselves get picked off one by one, but if we really are concerned with acheiving long term peace, then we need to accept that there will be some sacrifice. Right now we're fighting a war neither side can win. Both believe the other side is weak and will give up, and in reality, neither will. That leaves only one choice... pull out/ramp down and pursue an alternate solution. jesusland: There is no need to remake Islam as the Holy Quran is quite nicely preserved. The killing, taxing, and converting... these are popular accusations, but either misunderstood or simply false. For example, on killing: [2:191] And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors. [2:192] And slay these transgressors wherever you meet them and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for persecution is worse than slaying. And fight them not in and near the Sacred Mosque until they fight you therein. But if they fight you, then fight them. Such is the requital for the disbelievers. The view on killing is quite clearly laid out. Fight only when you are fought against, but don't exceed the bounds laid out. Drive them out from where your oppressors have driven you out. Fighting is allowed anywhere except near the Sacred Mosque, unless they engage you there first. [60:9] Allah forbids you not, respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you forth from your homes, that you be kind to them and act equitably towards them; surely Allah loves those who are equitable. Except for those who fight against you and who have driven you out from your homes, we are encouraged to be kind and equitable to all people. Here's the verse in particular that I believe you were referring to: [9:29] Fight those from among the people of the Book, who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax considering it a favor and acknowledge their subjection. That seems pretty heavy, until you understand it in the correct context. The Quran, like any other religious text, is a book for people of understanding who will reflect upon its wisdom. If you lack wisdom, as most Muslim societies around the world do today, you end up misinterpreting the rules laid out. This verse was revealed at a time when Muslims and non-Muslims were still at war. The Muslims still permitted the non-Muslims to stay within their territory, but they had to pay a tax and "acknowledge their subjection", meaning they had to accept that where they lived was governed by Muslims and they were not allowed to cause disorder. To put it into perspective, the tax levied on Muslims (called 'Zakat') was actually heavier, and the Muslims were obligated to military service, from which non-Muslims were exempt. To contrast... today we pay taxes and receive benefits. We get infrastructure, security, and all the privileges we are due. Those non-Muslims got the same thing. They were taxed to enjoy the same benefits of security and infrastructure as the Muslims, but at a lower rate than the Muslims themselves. They had to accept that they were living under a Muslim government and pay their dues. I hope you can see that your statements clearly misrepresent Islam. Islam does not need to be "remade", rather it needs to be implemented. These teachings are founded in wisdom and served early Islamic society for centuries. They still serve today when they are implemented correctly, and I openly use my religious community as an example. We hold hard and fast to these teachings, and we now number almost 200 million. That's 200 million people who understand that war cannot bring about peace anymore, but instead want to serve mankind. We do just that throughout impoverished Africa, India, Pakistan, USA and just about everywhere else. We are Muslim and we are most certainly a part of the modern world. We are Nobel laureates, diplomats, doctors, engineers, judges, lawyers, humanitarians, homemakers, etc. See, it's not about pretty flowers and chocolate rivers, it's not a fantasy... changing the world peacefully is entirely possible, and is in fact incumbent upon us. It's the only road to lasting peace and prosperity anymore. I stand by my original claim, war will not resolve this current conflict.

28 Can anyone summarize what Sohail Mirza is saying for me. I'm not about to scroll thru someone's thesis unless I get paid for it.

29 jesusland: One more quote, in case it isn't evident that Islam encourages peace. [8:62] And if they incline towards peace, incline thou also towards it, and put thy trust in Allah. Surely, it is He Who is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. When at war, if your opponent ends hostilities or offers a ceasefire, you are mandated to accept it. This verse highlights that war in Islam is only allowed defensively. I hope this also illuminates the true nature of Islam for you.

30 As I said, I don't doubt your sincerity, or your interpretation of the Koran, but it is how the extremists interpret the Koran that is the problem. The Salafist interpretation, now prevalent in mosques around the world, uses the same Suras that you quote and comes to an entirely different conclusion. I can tell you are an educated man, Mirza, and I can see you have a grave concern for what is happening, so that is why I hope you will turn your energies to convincing the radical among the faithful of Islam. That would indeed take a miracle from God.

31 Sahail gives me hope that his interpretation may win out.

32 Mirza: There is an intelligent, more truthful reply to very piece of bullshit you write. But who the hell wants to spend that much time with a raghead. While you proclaim the greatness of the gutter religion, Islam the fact that all you creeps either leave or wish to leave the stinking muslim countries is prove enough for me. Yea, Sure. You left your shithole because it was a better place.

33 I just want to say that Sohail's the man....any of you guys wanna piece of him...means you wanna a piece of me....capisce??

34 And I'm christian too ....Blam!!

35 greyrooster: I'd be very happy to hear your intelligent, more truthful reply. I'm sorry you don't like "ragheads", but that's more your problem than mine. Now, if I'm not Arab, does that still make me a raghead? What if my head-covering is made of shaped wool instead of a simple cotton cloth? Is that better or worse? If I wear a fedora, does that still make me a raghead? Curious... But it is true, many people from all over the world want to come to the West for greater opportunities in business, education, etc. There are certainly greater opportunities for those in this part of the world. Now, that's not the reason I'm here. I was actually born in this hemisphere. In fact, I'd actually be more out of place in an eastern country than here. Of course there's also the fact that religious intolerance drove most members of my religious denomination out of our homelands. The tolerance one finds in North America is probably unmatched the world over. So actually, greyrooster, you're more like the Saudis than I am! Many of them are as racist towards non-Arabs as you are towards me! Ironic, eh? jesusland and Howie: I have the greatest faith in my interpretation of Islam, and it empowers me to help change the world in what small way I can. I believe it is founded in truth and rationality, unlike that Salafist interpretation. That interpretation, because it is false, will fade away into obsolecense when countered with intelligence, rationale, and educated masses. If countered with war, it will become a cause championed by uneducated and ignorant masses everywhere. Believe me, we really are trying to root out the extremist element from the Islamic world. Likewise I hope the extremist element in America can also be rooted out before both sides send all of civilization head-first into a world war. I am of the opinion that the terrorists and warhawks may be escalating us to nuclear war, but I hope that will not really come to pass. If it does, then not only do we all lose, but we all lose in the worst possible way. Peace is not an 8 year goal for one president. It has to be built upon a fundamental shift in social thought, one that drives civilization to no longer fear doing the right thing. It means having the will to give up wealth, comfort, pride and time to engage ourselves in actively building a better future. It is not a job for one military, one demographic, or one people. It will require unity, patience, resolve, and decades of effort. This is why I feel obligated to engage in discourse regarding alternate, more peaceful solutions. Thanks to both of you for maintaining a positive attitude towards this discussion. Luvmaster: rofl! Oh man, you met my laughter quota for the rest of the month! Thanks!

36 Lost Verses of the Koran Surah 115: The Pig Bismillah: The hurried flight of the Hegira had led the Muslims to a fertile oasis, where they were at last safe from their many enemies in Mecca. Pausing, each thanked Allah the moon-god for their good fortune. Assembling at a long table, they enjoyed rare delicacies brought by bare-breasted sirens whose faces were veiled. During the feast Muhammad sternly forbade his disciples to partake of pig flesh, while fondling the youthful breasts of a Nubian girl named Sheba. Obeying the Prophet, the pilgrims partook of the succulent flesh of jackals and vultures, washing their food down with strong wine. “I never dreamed I’d have to eat the loins of a jackal, let alone the bitter entrails of a cursed vulture,” observed a hungry pilgrim named Ahmed to a fellow Muslim, choking on the unpalatable morsels. “Neither did I, but the Holy Prophet has ordered it,” grumbled another starving follower, almost heaving as he consumed greasy vulture flesh. “A rancid pork chop would taste a hell of a lot better than this crap does,” retorted Ahmed. “It’s an acquired taste brother, you’ll get used to it,” spoke up another, smiling with a mouthful of rotten teeth. “I don’t think so,” said Ahmed, forcing down a burned jackal testicle. An uncaring Muhammad, famished, greedily wolfed down roasted jackal in enjoyment, quaffing from an earthenware wine carafe on occasion, while choosing which of the sirens that would soon endure his favors. The meal finished in the late afternoon, a drunken, lustful Muhammad initiated a sex orgy with the sirens, the debauched Holy Prophet, Allah speaking through him, declaring all earlier betrothals or marriages of the women he knew null and void. The Muslims celebrated their good fortune, again thanking Allah for the bounty they had been blessed to receive. Later, as Muhammad sat half-naked under a palm tree, masturbating to the thought of molesting little girls, Ahmed chanced by and remarked, "Oh great prophet, why does Allah say that we cannot dine on delicious porcine flesh?" "Why?" asked Muhammad, closing his filthy, tattered, moth-eaten robe, "Because Allah's younger retarded cyclops brother is a pig, and Allah doesn't want us killing his holy kinfolk." "Allah is a pig?" asked Ahmed, staring at Muhammad. "Of course," replied the deranged Prophet, hallucinating thanks to ingesting strong hashish minutes earlier. "That's ridiculous, why in hell do we worship pigs?" asked Ahmed, thinking his flight from Mecca may have been the result of heeding the words of a false prophet, possessed of a capricious desert demon who delighted in seeing them consume the flesh of vermin. "Because they're better than we are," answered a smiling Muhammad, now fantasizing about raping little boys, "Look at me, I'm little more than a lecherous child molester, thief and murderer!" "True, but pigs can't even talk!" exclaimed Ahmed, digging a heel into the sand. "Allah can, he speaks to me in my dreams," retorted the wildly hallucinating Muhammad, barely able to focus on Ahmed, seeing him in double vision. "You're a madman," declared a disgusted Ahmed, "I'm heading back to join the infidels in Mecca!" "Who cares?" retorted Muhammad, slurring his words and breaking into riotous laughter. Prophet Muhammad, opening his robe and again reaching for his flaccid sex organ, was too occupied with masturbating his building erection to reply further, while Ahmed disappeared behind a sand dune. "What a stupid, perverted, licentious bastard," spat Ahmed, walking off, "Muhammad is crazier than a shithouse rat!" Surah 116: The Pervert Bismillah: And it came to pass that Muhammad was growing ever hornier and more depraved: In a dream it was revealed by Allah that he was to molest a young girl named Ayesha. Drunk on strong wine, the Prophet looked to a follower named Khalil and announced, “Allah has said I am to have sex on this day with a child; the virgin daughter of my brother in law Abu.” “What?” asked a frowning Khalil, holding a wine bottle, taken back by the remark and turning to Muhammad. “I am to know Abu’s daughter Ayesha,” declared Muhammad, a finger in the air, becoming visibly aroused at the thought having sex with her. “She is but a little girl who plays with dolls; her womb does not yet weep, are you insane?” asked Khalil, knowing in his heart that the Prophet was little more than a pervert, thief, liar and murderer. “Probably, but it is the will of Allah”, Muhammad said to himself, staggering off to the hovel of Ayesha. “What a twisted devil the Prophet is – the will of Allah my ass, he’s just an evil, depraved monster who lusts after the flesh,” Khalil mumbled, putting the bottle to his parched lips. An oblivious and uncaring Muhammad blundered down the street, weaving as he went, arriving at the hovel shortly thereafter. Knocking on the door, Ayesha’s mother Umm appeared. “What do you want Prophet?” she asked, staring at the debauched Muhammad, clad in a filthy tan robe covered in dust and wine stains, a lone flea crawling upon his moustache near his nostrils. “Bismillah, I am here to take your daughter Ayesha in bed,” the Prophet answered, slurring his words. “You licentious beast!” exclaimed the girl’s mother, “She is only six years old, if it is indeed the will of Allah, take me instead to satisfy your wanton depravity!” “Taking you is not the will of Allah,” retorted Muhammad, the scent of wine heavy on his foul breath, “You are a wrinkled and faded flower without comeliness; be gone with your favors; I could never get a hard on at the likes of you.” Enraged by her rebuff, Muhammad smote her upon the face with a backhand. “That’s what one gets for disobeying the will of Allah,” declared Muhammad, his words punctuated by a loud belch, “Take me to Ayesha, that I may know her on this day!” Obeying, Umm reluctantly led Muhammad to the room of Ayesha, opening the door. “This perverted Prophet here wants to screw you,” announced Umm with a frown, Muhammad ogling the virgin child in double vision. “But you knew my cousin Abdullah, younger brother of Ahmed not an hour ago,” replied a shocked Ayesha, dropping her doll, revolted by the sight of the filthy, lascivious pedophile Muhammad. “Be that as it may, Allah has said I will also know you,” said Muhammad with an expectant smile, the gleam of lust in his eyes. “Why me?” asked Ayesha, looking to the Prophet with trepidation. “Because Allah has said it and I am horny, let us lay down, that I may know you,” ordered Muhammad as he removed his robe, Ayesha’s mother shaking her head in helpless disgust and closing the door. Surah 117: The Murderer Bismillah: Muhammad and his followers enjoyed many days away from Mecca at the oasis, home of his oafish brother in law, Abu Bakr, who was also Muslim. Dining on roast jackal, vultures and snakes, their strength was renewed by the bounty Allah the moon-god provided: plentiful food for their bellies and plentiful sirens for their carnal pleasure. Khalil was upset that the Prophet was an evil lecherous pedophile who had known a little girl, so he went to the home of Ayesha to speak with her father, Abu the oaf. He made his way to the hovel, and knocked on the door. Ayesha’s mother opened the door, frowning as she beheld another of Prophet Muhammad’s followers. “Is life not bad enough, what are you here for, to rape my daughter, me, or one of my sons?” she inquired with disdain. “Indeed not woman, I must speak with your husband, not you,” said Khalil, who as a good Muslim, looked down upon women as little more than objects of pleasure, or dogs to be beaten into submission. “My husband Abu is very drunk,” she related, lowering her gaze in respect. Khalil entering the hovel, the oaf Abu appeared from a side room holding a wine bottle, and slurred, “What do want here, follower of the Prophet?” “I must speak with you regarding your little daughter Ayesha,” answered Khalil. “What about her?” asked Abu, blinking his eyes and trying to focus on the man. “The Prophet came unto her in her room a fortnight ago; do you not know?” asked Khalil. “He has come unto her many times since, she is his wife,” replied the unconcerned oaf. “His wife you say - you permitted it?” asked Khalil, stunned by the revelation. “Of course; he has come unto one of my nephews too, Muhammad is a pederast, it is the will of Allah,” declared a shrugging Abu. “He’s raping our child you drunken bastard!” exclaimed a tearful Umm, looking to Khalil. Abu smote her across the face, admonishing, “Take care woman, speak not ill of Prophet Muhammad, it is the will of Allah. The Prophet first knew Ayesha in a dream, when Gabriel showed her to him, uncovering her body for him to see.” “That’s really sick, she’s only six years old,” observed Khalil. “Better for the great Prophet to know her than one of the infidels,” declared a smiling Abu. “Prophet my ass, Muhammad is a depraved monster possessed of a demon; how could permit such a thing, you are her father!” exclaimed Khalil in utter disgust. “Yes I am, and the Prophet says I will know her too,” confessed Abu, contemplating the odd thought of having sex with his own daughter. Umm burst into tears and sobbed, throwing herself to the floor upon hearing Abu’s repugnant words. A fearful Khalil fled the hovel, not knowing what to think; realizing Muhammad and his brother in law Abu were wicked licentious perverts and vicious rapers of children, possessed of capricious and malevolent demons. Later, Abu spoke with the Prophet while they entered a brothel together. He told him of the strange encounter with Khalil. Khalil’s an idiot, he takes Islam much too seriously,” replied Muhammad, looking to his oafish brother in law. “It is a bad omen Prophet, Khalil woefully disdains your marriage to Ayesha, and disdains that I am to know her too,” declared Abu, even he feeling deep down that such a liaison was distasteful, but knowing it was the unalterable will of Allah, the moon god. “It is the will of Allah for you to know your daughter, did not Lot of Sodom know his daughters in the cave?” asked a slurring Muhammad, quite drunk, leaning against a wall to steady himself. “Yes Prophet, he did,” answered Abu with firm resolve. “Indeed, it was and is Allah’s will,” replied Muhammad, picking a flea from his beard and crushing it between his fingernails, “As for our problem, I will have a dream tonight, and Allah will order me to kill Khalil.” “He will?” asked Abu, putting a hand to his chin in confusion, “But I thought the Perfect, Most Merciful Pig Allah never revealed his intentions until you had a dream.” “No matter oaf, he is making his will known to me by making me drink strong wine on this day,” said a quickly lying Muhammad, holding up a bottle. “Don’t you drink strong wine everyday?” asked Abu. “Not as strong as this stuff,” replied the Prophet with a broad smile, “It has hashish oil in it; let us partake of a pair of this brothel’s women and enjoy wine together.” As Muhammad and Abu descended into more revelry and debauchery, a troubled Khalil approached another of the Prophet’s followers, the one with rotten teeth. Telling him of his woes, he awaited the reply. “Who cares what he does, have vulture and some wine,” said the man, tearing a leg from a roasted, maggot-ridden carcass and offering it to Khalil. “You don’t care that Muhammad is a deranged pervert who has sex with little children?” asked Khalil, taking the leg. “Hell no, I’m only here for the food, I was starving in the alleys of Mecca before I met Muhammad,” replied the rotten toothed man, grabbing more vulture flesh and a wine bottle. “Oh,” answered a defeated Khalil, taking a bite from the leg and reaching for wine. Late evening came, with Khalil and the other followers drunk and passed out in their tent. Muhammad and Abu awoke at the brothel after midnight, rested and refreshed. “What are we to do about Khalil?” asked Abu as they left via a side door, avoiding an encounter with the brothel’s madam, to whom they owed money. “Leave that to me oaf,” answered the Prophet, holding up a hand, “In my dream Allah told me how to deal with him.” Muhammad headed down the street and stealthily entered the tent of his followers, intent on taking Khalil’s life. Abu Bakr followed him through the entrance, looking about for possible witnesses. Holding an oiled leather garrote, the smiling Prophet mercilessly strangled the sleeping Khalil, knowing in his heart that it was the will of Allah. The helpless follower struggled defiantly as a determined Muhammad gritted his teeth and pulled the garrote tighter, crushing Khalil’s windpipe, the Prophet letting out foul gas from his posterior due to the exertion. The struggling ceased; he and Abu then quietly removed the body from the tent and carried it into the desert. “That takes care of that problem,” declared a satisfied Muhammad as he pocketed the garrote, he and Abu making their way to his hovel so he could know his young wife Ayesha again. “When will I know her Prophet?” inquired Abu in the lamplit hovel, looking to his daughter’s room. “Very soon, Allah has said it, go know your wife Umm for now, oaf,” suggested Muhammad with a smile, opening the door to Ayesha’s room. Surah 118: The Liar Bismillah: Time passed, and a strengthened Muhammad and his followers left the fertile oasis. The Prophet was joined by his young wife Ayesha and her father, oaf Abu, who left the remainder of his family stranded at the oasis, his wife Umm dying of grief shortly afterward. Not one of the party dared question the vanishing of Khalil, some fearing that they too would vanish, perhaps due to Allah’s will or worse. Muhammad told his followers that Khalil was an evil infidel, and had fled because he had coveted Ayesha, the child looking to her husband the Prophet, she and her father knowing he was not telling the truth. “That is not true my father, Khalil only came to tell you of the Prophet knowing me,” Ayesha whispered, she and Abu standing only a few cubits from Muhammad. “Take care in what you utter among others child, some things are better kept to oneself,” answered Abu quietly, not half the oaf the Prophet thought he was. The rotten toothed man was listening intently; he had watched from the shadows while a smiling Muhammad strangled Khalil, but wisely kept this knowledge to himself, vowing to flee the group at the earliest opportunity. Abu Bakr, fulfilling the will of Allah, came unto his daughter Ayesha over several evenings in a tent at the beckoning of the Holy Prophet, oddly finding her favors more satisfying than those of his wife. Feeling strange from the experience of knowing his own daughter, a troubled Abu sought wise Muhammad’s advice. “It was the will of Allah,” declared the debauched Muhammad, drunk on strong wine, “Allah has also revealed it is you which will sire her firstborn in her twelfth year; her incestuous bastard child Fatimah.” “I will?” asked Abu, incredulous that he would be siring a child by his own daughter. “Yes,” replied the Prophet, removing his filthy robe, “But first I must satisfy my carnal urges, by indulging in her favors myself.” Prophet Muhammad entered the tent and came unto the young Ayesha, who complained that she was sore from knowing her father three times in one day. Striking her across the face, Muhammad admonished, “Keep your mouth shut wife and be thankful to Allah that only I and your father are knowing you.” “Yes Holy Prophet,” Ayesha replied, closing her eyes and wincing in pain as Muhammad again knew her. Arriving in Medina the following week, the Muslims found friends in this city, delighting in drunken revelry and the favors of veiled, tempting harlots with dark eyes. A lecherous Muhammad, Ayesha and his brother in law Abu took up residence at a fine brothel, the Prophet and the oaf sampling the offerings over many weeks, finding that Medina had the finest of all harlots in the land. Many residents of Medina found that Islam was a faith that appealed to them, Allah’s unalterable will moving the people, they abandoning their staid ways, joining with Prophet Muhammad in idleness, licentious revelry and drunkenness. Abu later visited the Prophet in his tent, informing him of dreadful news that Medina was host to a band of Jews. “Jews you say, the people of the book,” answered Muhammad, “They are bitter enemies of Allah and Islam; we will not suffer such people to live in our midst.” “But there are 40 score or more of them in the city Prophet, do the warriors of Allah have the numbers to defeat them?” asked Abu. “Of course oaf,” declared the evil Muhammad, “We shall wait until the dark of night, prowling by stealth, and then cut their throats as they slumber; Allah has willed it.” Listening in the shadows, the rotten toothed man determined it was time for him to flee. Regardless of the free food, he wanted no part of a group of vicious, skulking cowards who would slaughter people as they slept. Allah’s will was fulfilled on the next night, 40 score Jews meeting their end at the hands of the deranged, murderous pedophile Muhammad and his obedient Muslims. Surah 119: The Thief Bismillah: A fortnight passed, with many of the remaining people of Medina embracing Islam, and others fleeing for their lives, with the exception of a wealthy merchant named Sabri and his family. Sabri vexed the followers with his words that Prophet Muhammad was little more than a drunken liar, murderer, and wanton sexual pervert; a wicked, lascivious monster and pedophile who kept the company of prostitutes, drunks and the slothful. In another dream, the Holy Prophet learned that the vexing merchant had to be silenced, and that he had been chosen by Allah to murder him. Telling Abu of his dream, he and Abu plotted the murder of Sabri the merchant. After enjoying strong wine together, they headed to his home on a dark late evening, let in by a lovely servant girl. Muhammad and the oaf Abu observed the opulence of his residence; Sabri dressed in a fine silk robe with a silk turban, seven rings of gold and silver on his fingers. His wife and the lovely servant girl brought food and a carafe of wine for her husband, they disdainfully looking upon the filthy, debauched Prophet and his henchman Abu. “Why will you not submit to Islam, it is the will of Allah,” declared the evil Muhammad, looking to Sabri, looking for the chance to end his life. “The will of Allah my ass, you Muhammad are a murderous debauched lecher and raper of children. Your loathsome followers feed on the rancid flesh of vermin instead of fine pork roasts, and defile all that they touch,” declared a disgusted Sabri, noting that the Prophet was drunk, dressed in a filthy tattered robe, with his unkempt hair and long beard matted with dirt. “I consume the flesh of vermin too, Great Allah is a Holy, Merciful Pig, it is not halal to dine on the sacred flesh of his younger brothers,” said Muhammad with a finger in the air, Abu nodding in agreement. “No, it is you who are a pig, you deranged cretin possessed of a vile demon,” retorted Sabri, looking upon the Prophet with hatred in his eyes. “Those who do not submit to the will of Allah will suffer dire consequences,” threatened Abu, looking about for anyone who would dare stop them. Observing only two women in the house, he smiled, knowing that the will of Allah was about to be fulfilled. Sabri paused, staring at the Prophet and Abu in contempt, hoping he could in some way persuade them to leave the city, noting that business had fallen off to practically nothing since the arrival of the Muslims. “Look, if I give you money, will you and yours flee Medina and never return?” asked Sabri with folded hands, hoping he could encourage them to leave with a payment of fine gold. “I can’t leave,” declared a smiling Muhammad, “I am serving Great Allah, the Most Merciful Pig.” Sabri, confused for a moment, replied, “But I thought Allah was the moon goddess of Mecca.” “Whatever,” retorted a shrugging, uncaring Muhammad while picking his nose, he knowing that Allah didn’t exist anyway. “You are destroying Medina with your vile harlotry and wicked ways!” exclaimed Sabri. The Prophet laughed, and replied, “Indeed not, Allah is guiding my hand in this and all my actions, providing me and my followers with what we desire: food, fine drink and the company of willing sirens, like your lovely servant girl back there.” “My servant girl is betrothed to a good man in Mecca, you will not speak ill of her, nor will you covet her favors,” declared Sabri, noting Muhammad leering through an open door, ogling the girl and his wife. “I will do as I wish,” retorted the evil Muhammad with another laugh, reaching into his tattered, filthy robe and producing the garrote, “I covet the favors of your servant girl, and will take her to my bed for a concubine on this night. Those such as you will not stop the will of Allah or his Messenger.” Abu rose while the Prophet was speaking and smote Sabri upon the face with a closed fist, knocking the silk turban from his head. Muhammad descended upon him like a viper, pulling the garrote tightly around his throat, strangling him in his chair while his wife and servant girl screamed. “Be silent women, it is the will of Allah!” Muhammad yelled through gritted teeth as he took the life of Sabri. Oaf Abu moved into the room and beat them into submission while a struggling Sabri kicked the wine carafe from the table, it shattering on the floor. Sabri’s life vanquished, Prophet Muhammad exhaled loudly and let the lifeless body tumble to the floor. The trembling women remained silent as Abu returned to the Prophet with them. “Where is your money?” asked a greedy Abu of Sabri’s wife. “A box of gold and silver is in our bedroom,” answered his tearful wife, almost fainting from Abu’s foul breath. “I’ll get it,” volunteered a smiling Muhammad, pulling the garrote from the body, “Get the rings from his fingers oaf.” The Prophet returned with a box of glittering coins, pleased that Allah had provided such bounty for his followers. “I can’t get the last ring off,” complained Abu, having pocketed six others. “Cut off his finger to get it, and take his robe and turban too,” ordered Muhammad, determined not to leave one valuable item in the house. Abu obeyed, reaching for a knife on the table, slicing off the finger and pulling the ring from it. Arriving at the brothel, the Prophet celebrated his good fortune by knowing Sabri’s wife and the servant girl, annulling the widow’s marriage and the girl’s betrothal in the eyes of Allah. Later that evening Abu was given Sabri’s widow for a concubine, as he had grown weary of Ayesha’s favors, also needing an able slave to cook and serve him. Having to beat her before he knew her, Abu thanked Allah and Muhammad for the welcome gift of Sabri’s wife. Surah 120: The Hypocrite Bismillah: More time passed, with some of Muhammad’s followers finding the Prophet’s actions in Medina going against everything he had preached in Mecca, seeing him as Khalil, the rotten toothed man, and the merchant Sabri had seen him: an evil, debauched rapist, pedophile, liar, and murderer. These and other apostate followers were quickly slaughtered as infidels, fulfilling the will of Allah; a smiling Muhammad strangling many of them as they slept. Even Abu began to think that Muhammad’s wanton depravity may have been going too far when he encountered him in a tent knowing several young Jewish boys that had been taken captive. “Prophet, some of the followers are complaining that you are denying them participation in the bounty given us by Allah, and that you are also practicing strange acts that Allah has forbidden to others,” related Abu, frowning at the displeasing thought of Muhammad knowing little boys. “They want some of the gold, right oaf?” asked a drunken Muhammad, dressed in Sabri’s silk robe and turban, seven rings of gold and silver upon his greasy fingers, the fine garb growing filthier with each passing day. “That, and some of them would also like to have some of the girls and boys for concubines,” answered Abu. “They cannot have the little boys, Allah has given them to me for my carnal pleasure,” declared the lascivious Prophet, “As for the little girls, give them to the followers as wives, so that their carnal desires can be sated; it is the will of Allah.” “Others say that you don’t practice what you have preached,” added a fidgeting Abu, hoping not to arouse Muhammad’s maniacal wrath. “I’m only the messenger, Allah’s revelations don’t apply to me,” retorted Muhammad, releasing a tearful Jewish boy from his carnal embrace. “What about me?” asked Abu. “They don’t apply to you either oaf; would you like a lovely little boy for your carnal pleasure?” slurred the depraved sodomite Muhammad, lustfully leering at another boy he had chosen next to debauch. “No, I find not that boys appeal to me,” answered Abu quietly, though he was a lecherous pedophile and incestuous pervert, he had no desire to sodomize little boys. “Suit yourself oaf, more for me to enjoy,” answered the Prophet with a chuckle, undressing another captive boy, returning to his lecherous pederasty as Abu left the tent. The city of Medina had been taken completely by the conquering Muslims, they reveling in their murderous victory over the infidels and Jews. In another dream, it was revealed to Muhammad by Allah that they were to attack and conquer the city of Mecca. They were to subdue it and convert the inhabitants there to Islam, after which the Prophet was to take a pagan shrine called the Kaaba and defile it in the name of Allah. “In Mecca there is glittering plunder, fine gold to steal, and many women to be taken for concubines,” declared the Prophet, “Allah has said to have faith in him and we will not fail; are you with me, warriors for Islam?” The devoted followers answered, shouting in unison: There is no god but Allah the Pig, and Muhammad is his prophet!” “We will need weapons to defeat them,” Abu observed, looking to the Holy Prophet. “Easily done oaf,” replied an unconcerned Muhammad, ordering several henchmen to plunder the city of metal so weapons could be quickly fashioned. Bronze implements were seized from every home; plowshares were heated and beaten into fine scimitars for the devoted followers. As his followers labored over hot forges, Muhammad gave a sermon, declaring that vengeance, blood and death would rain down upon Mecca in the name of Allah. The work completed over several days, a feast was held by the warriors of Islam to further strengthen them for the long journey; the flesh of rats, snakes, vultures and jackals gracing their tables. The hungry Prophet had a willing siren prepare his favorite of all dishes, fat dung beetles boiled in seasoned vulture broth. “We should give Allah our thanks for the bounty he has provided,” declared Muhammad, seated at the head of his table beside Abu, crushing the hard shell of a dung beetle between his filthy brown teeth. All bowed their heads in prayer, thanking Allah for the food he had provided. “Would you like to enjoy a tasty dung beetle oaf?” asked the Prophet, turning to his brother in law, offering one to him. “No thanks,” replied a nauseated Abu, choking down a plateful of greasy rat flesh. Washing the unseemly morsels down with strong wine, Muhammad and his followers filled their bellies with the bitter flesh of vermin and then enjoyed the welcome favors of tempting, veiled harlots with dark eyes. The Muslims, their women and their captives set out for Mecca on the following week, determined to exact Allah’s revenge on the people who dwelt there. “There are many able men in Mecca, much more than we have,” observed Abu, realizing their numbers were wanting when compared to the teeming hordes of infidels occupying Mecca. “Allah will watch over us oaf,” replied Muhammad, a sharp scimitar on his hip, he unsure as to what the outcome would be, but keeping this from the others and preparing for the worst. “There aren’t enough of us Prophet – how will we win?” asked Abu with his arms in the air, looking at their limited numbers, no more than 50 score of able men in the service of Allah. “Great Allah has said it, they in Mecca will embrace Islam or die for resisting his will,” the vengeful Prophet declared as Medina disappeared behind them in the distance. A thoughtful Abu wondered why Allah would wish his followers to attack a fortified city where they were outnumbered, and also as to why Allah would have chosen a debauched murderer and licentious pervert for his Prophet. “Oh well, it is the will of Allah,” agreed a sardonic Abu, much too committed to the deranged Prophet and Islam to back out, checking for the scimitar on his hip. Surah 121: The Coward Bismillah: Returning to the oasis to gather strength before attacking Mecca, Muhammad and his followers again feasted on the bitter flesh of vermin and partook of the favors of eager women, the depraved Prophet coming unto the veiled, bare breasted Nubian harlot Sheba. Oaf Abu learned that his wife Umm had died, Muhammad stating to him over strong wine that it was Allah’s will. A grieving Abu came unto his new wife, the widow of Sabri, and also knew his daughter Ayesha, fulfilling the will of Allah the Pig. The Holy Prophet also lusted for Abu’s bride, demanding that he be permitted to lay with her again. A shrugging Abu handed her over, an angry Muhammad having to beat the stiff-necked infidel woman once again before he knew her. “You evil murderous beast!” she screamed in tears as Muhammad was knowing her, “May the gods of my fathers destroy you and all you have wrought!” “How dare you attempt to curse me or Allah,” grunted the Prophet as he reached orgasm, his fetid breath causing her to heave, “Take care woman, or I will expose you as the sorceress you are, giving you over to be stoned by my devoted followers.” “Better to be dead than to endure your vile attentions again,” Abu’s wife retorted as the Prophet rose from her bed. “Bitch,” Muhammad muttered as he left Abu’s tent, adjusting his filthy silk turban. Leaving the oasis on the third day, the devoted Muslims resumed their journey to Mecca, Abu still troubled about their limited numbers and telling the Holy Prophet of his doubts. “Don’t worry oaf, we will remain behind while the first wave of our brothers besiege and subdue the infidels in Mecca,” Muhammad declared in a low tone of voice, Ayesha looking up to him and frowning. “Do you have a problem with that wife?” asked Muhammad, strangely controlling his compulsion to beat her for daring to disagree with Allah’s unalterable will. Ayesha remained silent and looked to the ground, Abu answering, “I thought we would lead them in battle.” “No, we are to remain behind and observe the followers take the city, it is the will of Allah,” replied Muhammad, he filled with doubts and preferring to watch from afar, as the strong hashish he had eaten in Medina had worn off long ago. Arriving outside the city walls under cover of night, the Muslims prepared for battle in the only way they knew: skulking by stealth and murdering defenseless people while they slept. As a full moon rose, a vanguard of devoted followers scaled the city walls, only to be discovered and cut down by the defenders of Mecca. “Attack in the name of Allah!” shouted Muhammad while retreating to a bluff with Abu, his wives and several trusted followers, the Meccans opening the city gates to meet the glorious warriors of Allah in battle. Seeing the Holy Prophet on the bluff by moonlight, this sight strengthened the attacking Muslims. “The battle is not going very well,” observed Abu as the moon rose higher, watching the Muslim army being wiped out. “Yes, Allah is displeased that our faith was not strong enough,” replied a strangely detached Muhammad, staring from the bluff at the carnage outside the walls of Mecca. “That, or we didn’t have enough men, I told you,” retorted Abu, watching several followers being hacked to death by the defenders. “That is possible oaf,” admitted Muhammad, Abu frowning at the reply. “What do you plan to do to save your followers Prophet?” asked Ayesha. “Nothing, it is Allah’s will,” replied Muhammad with a shrug, still watching the battle. Abu’s frown grew into anger as he watched a smiling Muhammad delight in the butchery of his followers. “You’ve lost at least 30 score since the moon rose, do you intend to stay until we are slaughtered too?” asked Abu’s wife. “How dare you speak to me unless spoken to!” exclaimed the Prophet, preparing to smite her across the face. “My good wife Fahimah makes a wise observation,” declared Abu, using her given name for the first time, grasping Muhammad’s forearm, preventing him from striking the widow. Pulling away from Abu, the Prophet paused and replied, “It’s time for us to leave oaf, we shall retreat to the oasis to pray and fast.” A defeated Muhammad and his trusted followers left the bluff and headed back toward the oasis in the moonlight. Looking over his shoulder, the Prophet feared that vengeful Meccans might pursue them. “Let us make haste,” declared Muhammad, fearing for his life. Several days passed as they retreated from Mecca, the remaining band of Muslims at last pausing for needed rest and making a camp in the desert. The captive Fahimah had grown to respect her new husband Abu, as he had prevented the Holy Prophet from striking her outside the walls of Mecca. Making him a meal of jackal flesh soup, she presented it to him in his tent. “Thank you woman,” Abu replied, taking an earthenware bowl and strong wine, she nodding and leaving him to eat. As Abu was eating, a stir rose in the camp: a lone survivor of the battle having at last caught up to the followers. Putting down his bowl, he left the tent to find the survivor admonishing Muhammad. “You coward,” he gasped, “You left us to die, have you no faith in your visions, or are they only lies coming from your vile mouth?” The Prophet, drunk, answered, “I had a dream after the battle, it was Allah’s will that we were defeated, as it was his will that you survived. We lost because our faith in Allah was not strong enough.” “You lied, telling us of easy plunder and women; there weren’t enough of us to take Mecca, 50 score died outside the gates for nothing!” the man exclaimed. “No matter, have dung beetles and strong wine to renew your strength,” slurred Muhammad, picking fleas from his beard and flinging them into a small fire at his side. The man, much too exhausted to argue further, gratefully took a plate of boiled dung beetles and a bottle of wine, trudging off from the deranged Prophet in disgust. A shocked Abu observed this from the shadows and retreated to his tent. Such knowledge set heavy upon him, he meditating privately on the events. Finishing his meal, he called for his wife Fahimah, she appearing before him. I would hear your words wife on this matter: Muhammad preaches Islam, yet he does not follow the words of Allah.” “He is your Prophet, you have sworn to serve him and Allah, my words are those of an infidel,” she answered respectfully. “Still I would hear them, for there is wisdom in what you utter,” Abu replied. Fahimah, still fearful of her brutal husband, yet bound by her personal honor to obey, told him of her thoughts on the Prophet and his actions. “I care not what god he worships, but this demon in man’s guise is not a prophet of a clean desert god,” she began. Abu looked at her as she continued, “He forces his followers to consume the flesh of vermin, delighting in their disgust. I truly believe him to be so perverted as to rape an infant - he has others carry out his murderous work while he has no courage to fight himself: you should draw a knife across your daughter Ayesha’s throat and my own to save us from the corruption of this man.” Abu, oaf that he was, looked at her silently as she urged him to destroy the demon Prophet Muhammad, her wise words much harder to ignore than the screechings of his deceased wife Umm.

1 Doesn't this prove that terrorism is not inherrant in the muslim religion?

2 Some do follow the doctine you speak of. My hope is that reform will and really must come from the inside. For those that follow the doctrine you speak of we must fight and fight hard. Both by exposing that doctine and by supporting those who oppose it. I did not wake up one day wanting a war. But we are at war so any ally against the wahabbis and terrorists is welcome. Muslim or not. I would hope that Islam will reform and we can all live and build a better tomorrow. So if Muslims take Islam that direction i've no problem with it.

3 No, it doesn't Mrs Clueless, it proves that muslims don't like it when other muslims kill them. Notice that the protest was not about terrorism against the hated West. I hope your apologetics for islam makes you feel better when they cut your throat.

4 Islam will never reform, because reformation is a reaction by civilized people to barbaric practices perpetuated by religion long after the culture that spawned them has passed away. Muslims are savages and until they stop being muslims, they will not stop being savages.

5 IM is right they are not protesting Ken Bigleys treatment. But I'll take any turn against Al-Qaeda I can get. The first step is that they see the barbarism and are rejecting it. Step 1.

6 And i,ll bet they will be ignored by the liberal left-wing mainstream news media

7 I'm sure hope you are wrong IM but I ain;'t holding my breath. Maybe some are or will wise up. I always see these guys on the old threads talking about Christians. You know same old stuff spanish inquisition. I like to point out that was 300 years ago. Who would have thought then what Christians are now. So I have a bit of hope just a smidgen but I'm not going to let that make me feel comfortable or relax just when they hope we will.

8 Improbulus you are a legend.

9 Legend? In my own mind, at the very least! Thanks. By the way, since Howie mentioned the Church, the Vatican has now announced that they accept Darwin's theory of evolution as acceptable and compatible with church doctrine. The implications are astounding, but no matter what else happens, the Baptists are gonna have a fit.

10 Really. What religion says it's okay to kill every last infidel survivor by cutting their heads off and "use" the women after you invade them. But, goodness me - don't cut down any of the date palms. That could really get you serious trouble.

11 I noticed they shout muslims are brothers. Muslims don't kill other muslims. Allright to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddist and such. When have the muslims ever demonstrated when muslims killed others. Forgive me. I was wrong. They do demostrate when other religions are killed. They clap their hands and shout with glee.

12 Almost makes one... violent, doesn't it, "Greyrooster?" Wal-Mart is calling...

13 Morocco is doing stunts like this so it can get into EU. Sure, some don't like the Qaedas and they were assembled in a public place to make sure everyone knows they exist, but I bet there's at least as much Qaeda lovers.

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